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To think that a RECEPTION teacher shouldn't have said this ???

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AutumnalPumpkin · 14/10/2023 11:16

My daughter goes to a catholic school (it was the only school available to us) we are not a religious family, but it does not bother me that she is being immersed in religion. After all, she will only make her own mind up later in life anyway. But this is relevant.
They use god in almost every part of the day, and in all aspects of learning.
As those who are not religious will know, we and a lot of others view god as "made up" or a myth, if you will.
Now this brings me to where I have a problem - her reception teacher has picked up on some of the class talking about unicorns. A typical 4/5 year old thing... and has proceeded to tell them that Unicorns, fairies and dragons etc are all made up, and do not exist.
This is absolute insanity to me!!? They are 4/5 and all have wonderful vivid imaginations.
We regularly take my daughter to "the fairy forest" and she immerses herself into it and tries to find clues to where the fairies could be hiding, and loves to think that at nighttime all of the magical creatures come out to play.
She's now come home saying that it's all untrue and they are made up.
I'm actually really upset about this.
How can you push the belief of god, and they go all out for Santa etc. but actively shut down the belief of magical creatures ??

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toadasoda · 15/10/2023 23:52

Thank you @lilmishap for reminding me of Eustace and the Dawn Treader!!! My favourite of the Narnia chronicles.

lilmishap · 15/10/2023 23:54

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lilmishap · 16/10/2023 00:00

AutumnalPumpkin · 15/10/2023 23:42

@ChocolateIsntTheSameAnymore would you and your 5 year old like a shiny gold medal?
I have not taught my daughter that they are real. It is something she believes off of her own accord.
Well.. DID believe

Off her own accord but you took her out fairie hunting?
What did you say when she got bored of not finding any? Did you ever pretend you'd just seen one? I'll bet you did.

Your kid is not a toddler anymore and you are gonna be less and less the most important thing in her day. Deal with it. She'll still love you she just won't mindlessly believe the lies you told her.

Have another one or get a cockapoo.

AutumnalPumpkin · 16/10/2023 00:01

@lilmishap if you have time, please can you quote me where I have ever been racist?
Please could you also quote where I am bragging?
(I'm not sure there has been anything to brag about here at all?)
Any information I have included has been done so as in reply to a question or an assumption.

I wasn't being patronising to you, I was simply stating that I can now see your view is influenced due to having a bad or unhappy experience with the idea of Santa / made up beings as a child.

With all due respect, you do not know me. None of us know each other on here.
But I can assure you that I am the furthest thing from racist, and I am slightly offended that you've pulled that out of absolutely nowhere.

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AutumnalPumpkin · 16/10/2023 00:04

@lilmishap I think you are actually very nasty. You as far as I know, have not answered the question of whether you have any children yourself?
We are a young family doing our best to let our daughter live a happy and exciting life, whilst living in a pretty mundane place really.
It was not me personally but a family member who took her to "the fairy forest" as it's a bit more exciting than saying "come on, we are going on a walk."
She does not get bored with it.
I'd also like to point out that it is a very toxic thing to tell another woman to just have another child. Like it's that easy.
Please answer the question. Are you a mother ??

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lilmishap · 16/10/2023 00:14

@AutumnalPumpkin Have you stopped for a minute to consider how your DD felt when told that in front of a class full of her peers whose Mums hadn't lied and pretended to see fairies?

No you've only thought about yourself throughout this. She would have felt awful, embarrassed, foolish and likely angry with you.

Try putting her first and not telling her any more lies that make you feel like a good mum without benefitting her in any way.

As for Santa being real, you lied to her about Fairies and she knows that now. Well done.

My kids didn't have any nasty shocks about Fairies, Dragons, Santa or Witches because of key phrases like "well no-one knows for sure as no-one has ever seen but plenty believe" Whereas you told her they were as real your kitchen.

It is perfectly possible to not make your kid look a fool in front of her peers. You just chose not to.

AutumnalPumpkin · 16/10/2023 00:17

@lilmishap I can assure you I have never told her they are real. I have just never corrected her. If she wants to think a leaf floating in a river is in fact a boat left there by fairies.. who am I to correct that? Why would I correct that?
You seem to not be able to answer any of my previous, more relevant questions. So I am going to assume that you are just spouting nonsense and pulling random accusations from the same place that the unicorns come from.

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lilmishap · 16/10/2023 00:17

I think you're nasty.
My kids don't resent me. If you didn't want the truth you shouldn't have posted.

Racist - normal kids with nice parents believe in Santa, My kids school is 90% Muslim.

I've kept it short.

lilmishap · 16/10/2023 00:22

Oh wow. There it is, this is now your daughters fault for believing in your self proclaimed fairie hunts that you used as bonding time with her. Sure Jan.

It's not nonsense, if it was you wouldn't be hurting so much. Stop infantilising her she's over it.

AutumnalPumpkin · 16/10/2023 00:22

@lilmishap it's only you behaving this way. Everybody else has been either educational or supportive. You have just been rude.
I'm going to assume your children are grown up, and you're quite bitter.
Although you probably didn't relish in the magic of childhood that most parents do.
I am not nasty for feeling sad for my daughter.
Do not imply that my child will resent me. She is 4 years old.

I'll keep my reply to your stupid comment about racism short also -
Islam is not a race.

I did not say "normal kids with nice parents believe in Santa"
I was quoting somebody, probably you saying that most normal 4 year olds don't.
It is totally different (and absolutely fine) to not believe in Santa because it is not part of your faith and to not believe because your parents (like yourself) didn't let you.

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AutumnalPumpkin · 16/10/2023 00:23

lilmishap · 16/10/2023 00:22

Oh wow. There it is, this is now your daughters fault for believing in your self proclaimed fairie hunts that you used as bonding time with her. Sure Jan.

It's not nonsense, if it was you wouldn't be hurting so much. Stop infantilising her she's over it.

Except she wasn't over it? Until the teacher said so 🤣

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MeinKraft · 16/10/2023 00:25

AutumnalPumpkin · 15/10/2023 22:10

This has turned into a huge bash fest.
Heck let's bash everything shall we!!
Religion, parents, children over the age of 3 months having any slither of joy in their lives.
I am really questioning what the life of a child would be like with some of these responses. (That I hope are not from actual parents may I add)
Whilst we're at it, shall I sit my 4 year old down, and tell her that as soon as she finishes education, the only purpose then is to work until you die... whilst maybe finding time to crush the spirits of little children, at the weekends.. just to bring a little bit of fun of course.
I despair

This is the kind of dramatic over reaction you would expect from someone who encourages a child to believe in unicorns tbf

AutumnalPumpkin · 16/10/2023 00:27

@MeinKraft
1.) no encouragement. Just no correction. Again, a 4 year old is in question here.

2.) it was partly a joke.. sarcasm.. satire. A little bit of a lighthearted comment after the last 24 hours of various different arguments about different things

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lilmishap · 16/10/2023 00:33

I knew there was something amiss as soon as you mentioned the 90% Muslims, like it's a badge of honour.
"Look how I'm really cool about my child being educated around Brown AND Catholic people"
There was no need for either to be mentioned and it REALLY struck me as weird and I said so, right at the beginning.
You don't brag about that shit unless you're White enough to think it's impressive or expecting it to get a reaction.

I will say you sound naive. So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but for your daughters sake, grow up a bit. She has.

lilmishap · 16/10/2023 00:48

AutumnalPumpkin · 16/10/2023 00:23

Except she wasn't over it? Until the teacher said so 🤣

You are supposed to prepare your child for the world, you didn't and she ended up feeling a fool in front of her peers. I don't know why that's funny.
I won't include an emoji

T1Dmama · 16/10/2023 01:36

@AutumnalPumpkin the bat shit mumsnetters are out in force tonight!! Ignore them…
God forbid kids believe in magic as a release from this shitty war torn world hey?! Apparently 5 year olds are far too old to be childish!

lilmishap · 16/10/2023 01:42

1 Get "Islam is not a race" printed on a T-shirt
2 Wear it on the school run
3 Bask in the glory of being hailed 'one of the good ones' and 'she's so enlightened'
4 Ask Mumsnet why your kid ain't getting invited to parties and you're being ignored on the playground, be sure to mention the other kids are 90% Muslim and you're SO cool with that

Yeah I'm the batshit one.

Itsallthelittlethings · 16/10/2023 02:04

Absolutely nonsense. Both my children are in Catholic school and nobody would ever tell them fairies etc weren't real. I would be so upset too OP.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 16/10/2023 03:19

Is this is good time to say that Leprechauns are a protected species in Ireland.
Protected by EU law

their home is the Cooley mountains…….worth a visit

Mumofsons87 · 16/10/2023 07:07

Unicorns and dragons I get. But saying the tooth fairy is
Nt real is a bit mean at the age when they start losing their baby teeth. Now if she starts telling them dinosaurs are not real it's time to change school at all costs 😂

Pollyputhekettleon · 16/10/2023 07:19

@AutumnalPumpkin 'Fuck off with that middle class white shit.'

You're dealing with an antiwhite racist. Many such cases. There's no point in engaging with racists, they're not rational.

DrinkingMyWaterMindingMyBiz · 16/10/2023 07:36

Cookies5543 · 15/10/2023 20:19

@pieintheski because little girls want to dress up as unicorns and have unicorn tattoos. It’s not the same as dressing up as a rhino and having a rhino tattoo! That would’nt excite them. My little girl whose 5 just had a unicorn theme party and everyone was excited, wouldn’t be the same with a rhino party would it? Why not let little ones have a little magic and fun? Why make things boring for them? Childhood last a very short time, let’s not be miserable!

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Why does knowing they’re mythical stop them from doing this?

Socksey · 16/10/2023 07:43

Let me help a little...
It will depend on how strictly Catholic they are....
But fairies and associated mythical creatures are associated with paganism which to many Catholics is a step on the way to Satanism.... and even if not, its not Christian...
Snta Claus - Saint Nicholas myth associated with Christianity etc and Christmas
Yes, you may talk about blurry lines etc.... but basically that's what it'll come down to

ButterflyBitch · 16/10/2023 07:50

No they don’t. I work at a non religious school and we never sing hymns. Assemblies are normally based around a different topic each day.

AutumnalPumpkin · 16/10/2023 08:18

Pollyputhekettleon · 16/10/2023 07:19

@AutumnalPumpkin 'Fuck off with that middle class white shit.'

You're dealing with an antiwhite racist. Many such cases. There's no point in engaging with racists, they're not rational.

Thank you. I thought that might be the case. So very strange. No doubt they'll be back to check up on me

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