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A bewildering experience with Toyota

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wirehaired · 13/10/2023 00:50

I'm posting this because in the past week I've gone from shock to anger and back again and I'm wondering if this kind of experience happens a lot.

I've always been a loyal Toyota customer, swayed by their reputed reliability. So, when my 10-year-old car needed its 80K annual service, I naturally went to them, even though I had only driven the car 4000 miles over the past year.

What I Expected: Toyota always provides a video of their health check and a comprehensive written report. I've never hesitated to get recommended work done promptly.

The Service: This service set me back around £430. I received a video in which the audio was barely discernible to me as is usually the case,and a report with only positive green ticks. I always check tyres and brakes first. The only recommendation was a repair for the air-con, which I approved.

The Shock: Post-service, I took my car for an MOT to a reputable garage, Clerkenwell Motors. They soon informed me that the car failed due to dangerously torn tyres and a nonfunctional front bulb.

Toyota's Response: My concerns were met with initial indifference from Toyota's service agent, who dismissed me as "confused". He actually explained the difference between a MOT and a service and said I would have to speak to management instead when I questioned his apparent urgency and his choice of response. He ended the call but phoned back as no management were available. When I quoted the MOT reports (the same information) he offered to "replace the tyres", although with a sense of disinterest. Management was largely absent from the conversation.

The Tyre Debacle: Toyota replaced my mid-range tyres but a second summary report covering the tyre replacement only (the bulb was forgotten until I reminded them) mentioned "Budget" tyres as replacements. The service agent had expressly agreed on like-for-like. When I did get to speak to a manager after the work had been done, he was very helpful and informative, a pleasure to talk to, but claimed the system showed the car with new Achilles tyres recorded as around £126 total to fit. These are mid-range tyres and as he asserted, they would be equivalent to my original Nexen tyres. He seemed unaware of the actual brand on my car. I had to send a photo. On seeing the photo, he apologised for the surprisingly messy state of the tyres and kindly offered to have them cleaned. He also apologised for how the tyres were labelled on the report. The tires on the car were LEAO, a budget brand according to some phone conversations I had with wholesalers. The manager, however, kindly forwarded a clear screenshot to a database, perhaps the Toyota database describing Nexen and LEAO as equivalent instead.

Final Thoughts: Throughout this transaction, Clerkenwell Motors were the high note, offering impeccable service. Toyota service, however, left me with more questions than answers. The service manager to whom I sent a photo of the tyres seemed highly effective, but I think the franchise see putting right an urgent contractual error as an example of their own "outstanding customer service" rather than a necessary acknowledgement of failures from which they can take opportunity to change. There doesn't seem to be any system to identify mistakes beyond letting them happen. In addition to being deeply patronised, I was told by three different representatives of Toyota about different issues, "Oh that happens a lot." Was there a mix up or negligence? The discrepancy between what is recorded, what's claimed and what's actually done raises concerns. What is going on?

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burntoutnurse · 13/10/2023 00:58

No advice but wanted to add my awful Toyota experience.

Small bump in my car last April,

I didn't get my car back until November! No communication, no contact, I went round the houses trying to speak to someone who knew what they were talking about, it was a brand new car!

The parts they were waiting for turned up the day after I went down to the local branch with my big burley so stood behind me, their customer service was SHOCKING

wirehaired · 13/10/2023 01:04

@burntoutnurse which dealership was that?
yeah I need a burly SO or to work on my menacing skills.
That's pretty terrible. wow.

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INeedAnotherName · 13/10/2023 01:09

They are right. A service isn't the same as an MOT. Some garages offer pre-MOT checks with a service.

What does a Toyota service cover in your contract? A very quick look on their website says tyres and brakes are not included.

flufferknutter · 13/10/2023 01:10

You need to find a reliable local garage and not go to the main dealer. Main dealers always over charge. You'll be out of warranty so no need to go there now.

wirehaired · 13/10/2023 01:14

@INeedAnotherName
Have a think.

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wirehaired · 13/10/2023 01:24

I asked the service agent to check the video of the service to see if he could get the meaning of it. He said it was hard to make out but that the technician said "pershing" by which the service agent meant "perishing" presumably. The tyres need replaced immediately. I asked the service agent how come the report which summarises the service contradicted the video made by the person actually doing the service and he said he himself made the report without the video "because there was a mix up."

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kitchenhelprequired · 13/10/2023 01:27

As part of the service the tyre tread depth should be checked and reported as well as any non standard wear. Were the tyres not checked as part of the service, were they checked and not reported, were they checked and reported incorrectly? They are all different scenarios raising different issues. The bulb could go at any time so you can't read anything into that. This was an experience at a Toyota dealership, unless things have changed since my car dealership days they will be a franchise so whilst Toyota the brand should be upheld by the franchise the issues you have experienced could be limited to one dealership.

INeedAnotherName · 13/10/2023 01:45

Have a think about what? I went on their website. If your service contract is different to their website then you might have a claim.

wirehaired · 13/10/2023 01:56

Yep that was the first thing the service agent said that the bulb could go at any time. Then the argument would be Toyota did a service and reported the tyres as fine when the tyres were shown to be dangerous. The bulbs were reported as fine and they were fine but then the bulb blew by coincidence between the service and the MOT. I picked up the car from the service on Friday and drove it to the MOT centre on Monday, both in daylight. I didn't have time to use the car in the meantime or switch on the lights at any point.
The way the report works is the treads are listed. If condition of the item being tested is fine the details are listed in green in the first column. If it is advisable to fix it the details are listed in the second column, in amber. If it requires immediate fixing and is dangerous the details are listed in the last column and are coloured red.
I wonder what the technician must think: he bothers to give a warning that the tyres are in a condition that is illegal and then he only gets confirmation: just fix the air conditioning.

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wirehaired · 13/10/2023 02:03

@INeedAnotherName Do you think there's another option?

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kitchenhelprequired · 13/10/2023 02:09

wirehaired · 13/10/2023 01:56

Yep that was the first thing the service agent said that the bulb could go at any time. Then the argument would be Toyota did a service and reported the tyres as fine when the tyres were shown to be dangerous. The bulbs were reported as fine and they were fine but then the bulb blew by coincidence between the service and the MOT. I picked up the car from the service on Friday and drove it to the MOT centre on Monday, both in daylight. I didn't have time to use the car in the meantime or switch on the lights at any point.
The way the report works is the treads are listed. If condition of the item being tested is fine the details are listed in green in the first column. If it is advisable to fix it the details are listed in the second column, in amber. If it requires immediate fixing and is dangerous the details are listed in the last column and are coloured red.
I wonder what the technician must think: he bothers to give a warning that the tyres are in a condition that is illegal and then he only gets confirmation: just fix the air conditioning.

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The bulb is not the hill to die on - it's perfectly plausible that it blew after the service and before the MOT. Are you able to predict when a bulb blows in a light in your house. Pretty sure you'd be a squillionaire with those kinds of powers. You are muddying the waters on something which is much easier to prove as an issue and takes the gravity out of the situation. Apologies if I haven't understood correctly but which of the green/amber/red columns were the tyre treads reported in? Did they report them as being good, need changing in x 000 miles or need changing now?

wirehaired · 13/10/2023 02:17

Yes I agree it's not a hill to die on. I don't think it's that relevant. I just think it's a laughable idea that the bulb blew in 2 days when I didn't use the lights which I don't think about until someone tells me it's a silly idea. If I were that service agent I think probably the last thing I'd do is say "you can't prove the that the bulb blew after the car left here and before the MOT" because I think I wouldn't make it a hill to die on. I'd say "how did we fuck up?".

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wirehaired · 13/10/2023 02:42

kitchenhelprequired I just replied to your message about the light bulb and noted that was what the agent started with, focused on and you read that as what I am focused on? This is so familiar some how, this "discussion".

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MechyMagic · 13/10/2023 02:44

With regards to the Budget tyre thing. Budget is actually a brand name - always thought it was an odd choice of name for a business but they are pretty good. I have them on my vehicles.

The bulb thing. Could have blown when the mechanic went to test it, could have the filament knocked over a vicious pothole or you could be right and it blew sometime before etc etc... I mean if I was the "Toyota" garage ("" meaning the garage that cocked up as opposed to being a dealership) in this scenario I'd probably just swallow it for the sake of a £1 bulb and customer satisfaction but dealerships aren't that worried especially when your car is 10yrs old.

Finding a good garage is like finding rocking horse poo. The whole thing is rigged but if garage 2 has treated you with respect, shown you and explained what they are doing and why and not charged you £430(?!?!) for what I assume was either an interim or regular service then I'd stick with them now.

Granted I haven't worked the tools for a while now but when I did on average interim and regular services were £120-£200.

RedRobin100 · 13/10/2023 02:51

Honestly, I think you’re unreasonable paying £430 for a service in the first place

wirehaired · 13/10/2023 02:56

@MechyMagic Thanks. Yes, it's clear they're not worried.Aa wholesaler told me about Budget tyres but Toyota said that's just what they call their budget tyres so maybe not all their staff are familiar with the brand or maybe that's what they call their budget tyres! The wholesaler I spoke to said they are not comparable to Nexen which are just pretty good quality. They said might be good budget tyres if that's what you need but they aren't midrange. Looks like you have different experience.
Have you heard of LEAO?

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wirehaired · 13/10/2023 02:57

Thank you so much all. I'm see what I've heard about mumsnet.

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MechyMagic · 13/10/2023 03:05

I can only speak from personal experience and I'm happy with Budgets, I put them on the beginning of this year and have done maybe 9000miles up and down the M25 (not my usual driving style). Plenty of life left in them yet, no bulges etc

That said I've had years of training and experience (and so has my husband lol!) So maintain the vehicles between us and know which issues to act on and which ones we can get away with just turning the radio up! If you feel better with a Nexen or Firestone etc then absolutely go for that, it's your car and your peace of mind that matters far more.

I have heard LEAOs, nothing bad springs to mind but not something I've worked with.

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