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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to stop my dcs seeing their dad?

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PersephoneSnape · 07/03/2008 13:15

My exP, father to my three dcs and his gf had a huge row on Wednesday night, when my children were staying over ( they stayed Wednesdays and alternate weekends) I had left my phone downstairs on Wednesday and had an early night ( in bed by ten!) and went downstairs for a pee at about 1AM to find a text message on my phone from his gf, saying that he had just hit her and accused her of killing her husband (who died of alcohol related injuries just over a year ago. She inherited his house and a sizeable insurance, although they were divorcing at the time due to his alcoholism and domestic abuse) I couldn?t do anything at the time as I reasoned that they would have all given up and gone to bed by then. Sent her a text saying would give her a ring the next day, hoped she was ok etc.

Yesterday, having spoken to my dd (12) it transpires that their dad and his gf were rowing all night. Kids were told to stay downstairs and not interfere, so they couldn?t get at dds mobile to phone me. Ds1 cried ?all night? and eventually got to sleep when dd got into bed to cuddle him. Dd knew something was going on, although I was reluctant to confirm her suspicions at first, because she heard gf scream ?get out and take your f*cking kids with you!? at eleven PM, then gf yelling my DDs name. DD was too scared to go and see what was happening. Ds2 slept through it all!

Exp has had a ?chance? before. There apparently was a row before and the police were called when my dcs were there overnight. He was told at that point that this was completely unacceptable ? I don?t want my boys thinking that they can treat women like this (dd, on discussion has taken the view that if anyone laid a finger on her she would offer swift alternative to birth control for the ?gentleman? concerned? ds is already showing signs that he blames exps gf for the row, and whilst I don?t believe she is as blameless as she paints herself ( I know that there is no excuse for him hitting her, but I think she does contribute to their volatility in other ways) So, he had a chance (which in retrospect was not a great idea..) and has now totally crossed tehline.

I went to see him yesterday and told him that I had a fair idea what had happened as Tabitha had spoken to me. I didn?t say that his gf had contacted me and I did stress that his relationship with her is none of my business as long as it doesn?t affect my DCs. I?ve told him that he won?t have the children overnight and he can make arrangements to see them via family mediation, but I am not condoning his behaviour and I?m not putting our DCS at risk.. when I was talking to him, he looked at the floor throughout, other than to whisper, please don?t take them away from me? ( he doesn?t see his ds3 from the relationship after me at all) to which I reoplied, ?I?m not taking them away from you. you?re taking them away from you?.

I am absolutely disgusted with him. DD thinks he is a ?bastard?. Ds1 is very upset and wants to see his dad. Ds2 is away in ds2 lalaland and is fine with not seeing him.

Do you think it is reasonable to restrict his access so far? I am toying with the idea of suggesting that we meet for an hour a week in the park, so that he can see the boys, but i can only cope with that if I know he?s going to be sober. ? and I have no guarantee of that.

Sorry it?s so long. Ugh! What is my next move? Do I wait for him to contact me, or do I just let him walk away? Is it better for the kids to have no dad at all?

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VictorianSqualor · 07/03/2008 13:20

I think it's compeltely reasonable to restrict his access, or at least make him only have them when he is not with his GF, that way taking the possible arguments out of the equation.
You have to do what is right for your children and seeing this isn't.

kama · 07/03/2008 13:24

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IdreamofClooney · 07/03/2008 13:31

No not Unreasonable. If anything you are being very reasonable. You are doing the best thing for your DCs.

Have you been to Family Mediation before? That may be the best path as they are neutral and he will perhaps wake up to the seriousness of the situation.

How awful. Hope he can sort him self out and act like a father!

Staceym21AtLast · 07/03/2008 13:34

i think you've handled it brilliantly. You are not being unreasonable just doing what is best for your dc's. I hope things get better, for both yours and your dc's sake!

alicet · 07/03/2008 13:39

Before I read your post I thought 'Of course YABU - how can you stop your chidren seeing their Dad?' Just goes to show I shouldn't judge a book by it's cover!

No YANBU. You are putting your children's wellbeing first and you are doing very well to be able to discuss this with him in a calm mature manner and not losing your rag in front of your dc's.

I agree family mediation seems a good route to take. Or daytime visits with you or another person you trust present.

At the end of the day though I don't think they are better off without their Dad as long as the situation they see him in isn't a threat to either their emotional or physical health. If you try to stop him seeing her because this is better for them (which I can see you might feel at the mo) then you also run the risk of them being told by there Dad that you stopped him seeing them and it all backfiring on you later.

My thoughts are with you. A horrible messy situation but I aplaud you for trying to sort it out with dignity and your dc's best interests at heart rather than making them pawns in your breakup as many do

PersephoneSnape · 07/03/2008 13:59

I?m kind of used to it tbh ? we?ve been apart for almost eight years now (ds2 is nine) but I?ve just got to the point where I think he is being terrible - I never saw my father after my parents split up and I have really tried very hard to ensure my children have a reasonable relationship with their dad. DD told me last night that she heard him yelling that he was going to kill himself ? (I don?t think he?s serious, although he does have a history of self harm that has very attention seeking tendencies) (apologies to anyone here who self harms in a quiet, reserved way, he tends to cut up his forearms and then wave them around - but then I didn?t think he would punch his gf in the face and stomach either.) He is an alcoholic, being treated for depression and he has a cpn. He hides his drinking well I think ? and it does follow a binge/purge cycle ? I guess the binges are catching up on the detoxes.
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We had family mediation when we split up and I went back to have an individual counselling session when things were especially hard. I don?t think it?s the right course at the moment because, although he is the father of my children and we?ll always be linked in that way and I kind of have a little bit of love left for him, I despise him because he hit his gf and my kids heard it. I don?t want to be in the same room as him at the moment.

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mrsruffallo · 07/03/2008 14:04

Perse- I think you have handled things very while.
I thin esp for the boys it is imp to maintain contact. The supervised hour in the park thing
sans girlfriend is a good idea.
Do you think he would be capable of talking to the children about what they witnessed and explaining why it was wrong- esp to your ds1?

PersephoneSnape · 07/03/2008 14:24

Tbh no. He stared at his feet the whole time I was talking to him and I don?t want the boys to know that daddy hit his gf. They?re only 9 & 8 and I don?t think it?s necessary for them to know at the moment. I certainly won?t be telling them. I only told dd because she guessed at the seriousness of the situation and then guessed that he?s hit gf.

I know, sadly that some children don?t have the option of whether they find out that daddy makes his arguments viable with his fists, but I want to protect my boys from finding out about domestic violence in this way. They obviously know that ex and gf have been screaming obscenities at each other (I?m really old fashioned/respectful with my kids and they know I don?t expect to hear certain words from them) and I?ve spoken to them myself about respectful relationships - I don?t think ex is really well enough/stable enough to talk to them about what a f*cker he is at the mo.

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mrsruffallo · 07/03/2008 14:27

Oh okay I thought your older boy had realised that violence had taken place too.
You sound very sorted to me- I think they are lucky to be coming from such a strong and caring base

PersephoneSnape · 07/03/2008 21:28

fargh! ( as in f*cking 'argh!' he just phoned - we didn't get to the phone in time so he left a message. they're away this weekend at gfs holiday cottage which is on a little scottish island - there were pub sounds in the background and he had phoned to speak to the dcs without a care in the world or any indication that i had actually spoken to him harshly at all.

maybe i dreamed it all. it's all a bit bobby ewing dallas style.

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PersephoneSnape · 10/03/2008 11:37

I?m starting to think I should involve someone in ?authority? now. Would that be a really silly thing to do, opening my entire life to scrutiny (not that I have anything to hide) or is it a good idea to get a formal record of what has happened? Could I do that by just popping into my local police station and making a statement? Or would social services be a better bet? exP is now acting like nothing has happened, despite me saying that there is absolutely NO way they are staying overnight with him, he still seems to think they will be popping over to their holiday flat on an island ie not reachable easily by me in panic-mode and that this is all being blown out of proportion ? but that?s what abusers do, isn?t it, pretend nothing has happened and the victim/victims are being hysterical.

Social services? Police?

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alicet · 10/03/2008 15:11

Have to say I would try talking to him again. Do you have anyone who could look after your dc's while you go meet up with him somewhere neutral and explain (again) how you feel? And that if he persists in acting as though nothing has happend you will be forced to speak to social services but would rather sort it out between the 2 of you?

Is there a formal custody agreement? Sorry I don't know much about this. Might be worth speaking to the authority that set this if so - the last thing you need is getting into trouble yourself for going sagainst access that has been formally agreed.

PersephoneSnape · 12/03/2008 16:09

no formal custody agreement - courts have been avoided. spoke to principle teacher at school about this today - she was very helpful actually decided to not do the social services route at the mo as they're not at risk because he doesn't have any unsupervised access.

met him in the park with the kids yesterday he is off to the doctors today with the gf. He thinks his change in medication has made him more liable to snap. I do actually think this is almost plausible - you do hear about anti depressants sometimes causing irrationality/exacerbating self harm - although i haven't really heard about them being a factor in domestic violence.

thanks for all your contributions ladies. It really does help to have the support.

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