Yitzhak Rabin assassination - do you remember / know?

[Huwipulotu]

In 1995 Yitzhak Rabin - the Israeli prime minister - was assassinated by an Israeli terrorist - Yigal Amir - who was opposed to the monumental peace efforts that Rabin had made with the Palestinians. He had worked with Arafat to sign the Oslo peace accords.

Rabin was an inspirational Israeli who risked so much (and paid the ultimate price) to find a peaceful solution only to be killed by an Israeli terrorist.

most of the Palestinian people want peace, most of the Israelis want peace, but in BOTH sides there are violent men who are only focused on the destruction of the other side.

The terrorist acts or not just from one side.

There is a simple solution. Atheism.

The majority of Israelis did not vote for him.

I have been really shocked by the attitudes of some people in response to the atrocities of the last few days. It is very unsettling.

Whats happened is the result of bitterness and esculation from both parties.

I was thinking about this last night: if you have the army on the streets on a regular basis in order to keep control, you have a situation where you aren't reflecting the whole population. Its illiberal and its unjust. And injustice will always feed violence.

Terrorism can be individual or state sponsored. Its always fuelled by the motivation of a sense of injustice.

You can't stop terrorism unless you start to consider and unpick this sense of injustice. Israel and Palestine are a million miles from even starting to do that. There is no willingness to do that. The opposite side are just seen as a threat and demonised.

Civilians have very much been caught in the middle of it for year.

There isn't going to be a resolution any time soon and tbh wider international politics is in play. It suits Iran to stir the pot at this particular moment in time - it aligns with the interests of Russia.

I just can't see it as 'this is the good guy and this is the bad guy' and I hate the story telling that constructs this. Its fundamentally different to the Ukraine invasion for that reason where there wasn't a long history of Ukraine blowing up Russian civilians on Russian soil and its much more one sided in terms of violence (Ukraine aren't sainted either which I appreciate but the balance is very different).

I get why Israel is doing x, y and z. But I also get why the Palestinians are doing what they are.

Neither are right and therein lies the issue and why the only outcome is going to be a hell of a lot more deaths before anything remotely changes.

‘. I utterly deplore and condemn the actions of Hamas but anyone who believes Netanyahu sincerely wants peace is utterly deluded.’

yup. I heard a Jewish commentator say the Hamas attack was ‘unprovoked terrorism’ and thought WTF. How in earth can anyone actually believe that.

When you wonder if Israel and Palestine will come back to the table do you include Hamas as well because they have no interest in any peaceful solution, reports suggest that the current situation has been funded and supported by another nation.

most of the Palestinian people want peace, most of the Israelis want peace

Not according to surveys of people actually living in the area - http://pcpsr.org/en/node/928.

And Hamas most certainly do not want peace, from their charter;

'The day the enemies usurp part of Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.'

'Peace initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of
the Islamic Resistance Movement [HAMAS]. Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.'

'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'

Hamas' actions are wholly unjustifiable. They sicken me.

It's always men though isn't it.

Do you genuinely think that if Palestine were to be granted full recognition the violence would stop?

How would that work when the dominant religion of the region and the neighbouring regimes believe that every inch of that area from river to sea, is Islamic holy land and that while any part of it is under non-muslim control Jihad must be waged?

Shimon Peres should have called a general election immediately after Rabin was assassinated. That would have ensured a Labour victory and rule for a few years. And Arafat should have accepted the peace deal offered by Ehud Barak when he was PM. It was never going to get better than that and there were concessions for both sides. Netanyahu is a disgrace as a politician, but what Hamas have done is unspeakable. I am amazed that there was no Israeli intel on the operation - those rockets would not have appeared overnight.