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Ex husband to pick up and drop off kids twice a month

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Applepie73 · 07/10/2023 08:25

AIBU? My ex husband sees the children every other weekend, he charges me £40 a month petrol money (it only costs about half of that for the round trip). I have started a new job and have asked him to pick the children up on a Friday and drop them back on a Sunday only during term time. I have offered to do drop off and pick up during holidays.

Context, it's a long one:
My ex husband and I were together for about 10 years. We got married after 9 years and 8 months later I asked for a divorce. In those 10 years we never did anything together, we went on one holiday (that I booked) and we didn't have date nights or anything - yes seriously. We had a baby after 2 years when we were very young (22/23). We were both in the middle of our probation year of teaching when I gave birth and he ended up failing his probation (meaning he could NEVER teach unless in a private school -UK rules) but I passed my probation. He told me it was my fault he failed because he had to help me with our son and he had to help during some of the nights. I believed it was my fault and took on that guilt. I later found out that during the decade he failed 300,000 new teachers passed and just 130 individual people failed theirs. When you look at those figures you have to question the real reason he failed.

Toward the end it was just toxic on both ends. We didn't fight but there was just nothing there. In the last two years of our relationship I was on maternity so he became the breadwinner (yes I was the breadwinner the whole time and also taking our eldest son to nursery and picking him up every day). For the first year I still received some income but in the second year he was in complete control of our finances. I was never allowed to see any bank statements and if I ever asked how much money we had he would never give me a straight answer. (We never had a joint bank account) In the final year I found out he had borrowed £3k from his parents, taken out a £5k loan in my vulnerable mum's name (he does pay her monthly for this, there are still 2 years left) and stolen £2k of our wedding gift money. This was on top of a £7k loan we had taken out in my name a few years before. When I asked him where all this money went he told me I had spent it because I was always asking him for money. He would give me £400 a month which covered any bills that came out of my account and that was also all the food budget money for the whole month as I always did the weekly food shop. That was to cover a family of 4 and also included me buying new clothes or items for our two children.

During COVID I finally found sense and I told him I wanted a divorce, he didn't want to so I asked him to book us therapy. I said I'd work on it but he just needed to for once be proactive about something and prove to me it would be different this time. After 3 weeks of him not booking the therapy or even looking for it I realised nothing would ever change and it solidified by decision to divorce.

According to him it came out of the blue but I had mentioned many times how unhappy and alone I felt. I'd also (seriously) suggested separating twice before over the years. We have two children and especially during COVID he was still going to "work". Despite finishing "work" at 2:30 there were days he wouldn't get home until after 7pm after the children had gone to bed and the first thing he did as soon as he got home was go and use the bathroom for about 40min to an hour. Every, single, day. I was already raising them alone and they were the reason we were sticking together. We were just two people that had children together that lived together.

Anyway that was just over 3 years ago now. He moved back in with his parents. It's 14 miles away and depending on traffic about an hour's drive away. When we first separated he had the children every weekend. He would pick them up and bring them back as he took (there was no discussion) the car when we separated. After 6 months I got back on my feet and my family gifted my a second hand car, I would drop the children to his house on a Friday and he would bring them back. After a month my car broke so I started to take the children on the train and would drop them to him at his place of work on a Friday because I finished work early.

He was frequently 10-20 minutes late picking them up (he never told us, we just had to wait) on the Friday and we would often be waiting outside for him. This continued for 7 months until once I missed the train so I was 15 minutes late. I hadn't warned him and he was waiting in "his" car. When I arrived he was furious he'd had to wait and I hadn't told him. At that point he told me I had to pay for his petrol and started charging me £40 a month by taking it out of the child maintenance payments he had to pay me. He said it wasn't a change because I don't physically hand him any money. The petrol money was to cover him driving himself home from work on a Friday because the children were in the car and to bring them back on a Sunday. I worked it all out and at most the petrol was costing him about £20 a month max but whatever. He has been doing that since November 2021.

In November 2022 he asked me to have the children one weekend (just to point out there have been many times since the divorce that I've kept the children on a weekend) but on that particular weekend I already had plans so I couldn't. He then said that from 1st January 2023 he would only see them every other weekend but I had to tell the children. My eldest child is autistic so trying to explain to a 9 year old why suddenly he will only see dad every other weekend was tricky and it had a big impact. I told my son I wanted to spend more time with them and take them out on the weekends and he ended up blaming me and thinking I'd taken away the time from his dad. In the end his school and I arranged therapy for him to cope (yes it was that bad). I was still charged £40 a month petrol.

When he reduced his contact with the children the amount of child maintenance went up. He was paying half of the monthly repayment towards the £7k loan we had taken out in my name. The difference of the new amount of child matience was roughly the same as the loan repayment so he stopped paying the loan and continued to pay me the same amount as before. He now only underpays me child matience of about £10 a month which includes the £40 petrol money, if you factor in the loan he is underpaying me about £100 a month. He has never helped if there have been additional costs in a month like buying school uniform, he just pays what he legally has to pay and that is it. But yes he is almost paying what he legally has to pay and a lot of women don't get that I guess. You'll see in the messages below that he has tried to gaslight me about how much he should pay but he is underpaying me, he also won't tell me his real salary and has a second job on the side so he is significantly underpaying me but I just am so worn out with him I can't be bothered.

In Sep I stared a new job, and I work late now on a Friday. I told him in July that I wouldn't be able to bring the children to his work on a Friday anymore and asked if he could pick them up. He told me I would have to bring them after work on the train to his house but still give them dinner like I always have on a Friday. Meaning I would finish work at 5, pick them up from club, get home around 5:45 cook and give them dinner than the take them on a 1.5 hour underground train journey at about 7-8pm. Remember my eldest is autistic and HATES underground trains and people. I said no, he had to pick them up because he finishes work at 2:30. I said I could still arrange dinner for them but I wasn't taking them on the train to his house after work. He accused me of keeping his children away from him and threatened to take me to court.

After 3 years of him constantly being difficult and blowing up on everything I've just had enough. He sees the children 4 nights a month, I don't have a car. I have asked him to pick them up on a Friday and drop them back on a Sunday, twice a month and he still takes £40 petrol money. He asked me to pick the children up this Sunday but I haven't had a single weekend at all this month because my eldest didn't want to go last time. I have so much to catch up on this weekend so I said I couldn't pick them up on Sunday but I could pick them up and drop them off during holiday times. After 3 years on having to walk on egg shells around him I have had enough and just put my foot down. The conversation was messy as you can see in the images.

So after all that, in all honesty. AIBU in asking him to to the pick up and drop off twice a month when he is already charging me petrol money for it and I do 75% of the childcare.

Ex husband to pick up and drop off kids twice a month
Ex husband to pick up and drop off kids twice a month
Ex husband to pick up and drop off kids twice a month
Ex husband to pick up and drop off kids twice a month
Ex husband to pick up and drop off kids twice a month
OP posts:
leopardprintismyfavourite · 07/10/2023 09:01

Taking it to court could cost a fortune.

It doesn’t have to. If you withhold contact, the onus is on him to take you to court. He would then pay the application fee.

The aim of court in circumstances like this isn’t always to drag it out to the end, where you might want a barrister, the aim is that you pincer movement someone into an agreement, and you do that by allowing the court to see their bullying and abusive behaviour which you can already evidence.

I’ve done most of that with a McKenzie Friend - solicitors aren’t always needed except where you need exemption certificates for mediation or an agreement drawn up for the court.

The typical behaviour is that he either won’t make the application, or he will and he will go and get himself a big shot solicitor who will charge him £80-£150 every time they send you a letter. Typically those costs mount up quickly and it exhausts them.

CatOnAMushroom · 07/10/2023 09:01

Clearly he is an arse.

I would suggest googling grey rock technique and making sure your messages to him are "business like" going forward. You are showing him how much he is annoying you and therefore giving him that satisfaction.

olympicsrock · 07/10/2023 09:11

He is an utter c**t . You need to stop letting him control you. Ask yourself - will it actually hurt the children to spend less time in his company ? I would say no.

This needs to be done via a court once and for all. Have minimal communication and get on with your life.

Gloopyhoop · 07/10/2023 09:11

Technically the kids are paying for the petrol, because the CM is for them. Also, let him take you to court. Let him cover the cost of making sure he sees his kids fairly. If he doesn't, I wouldn't necessarily see that as a bad thing.

Darkmode2 · 07/10/2023 09:11

Classic case of a stupid man who thinks he extremely clever

CharlotteBog · 07/10/2023 09:31

What does he mean when he says he'll "win" if you go to court? The kids? Cos it sounds like he's not at all interested.

Stop engaging with him, keep the kids and let him fight for them.

WillowCraft · 07/10/2023 09:42

14 miles x 4 journeys =56 miles = costs a maximum of £12 in a typical family car. Where on earth does he get £40 from?

ConnieTucker · 07/10/2023 09:47

CharlotteBog · 07/10/2023 09:31

What does he mean when he says he'll "win" if you go to court? The kids? Cos it sounds like he's not at all interested.

Stop engaging with him, keep the kids and let him fight for them.

This. And stop paying him £40. But ensure you have that recorded somewhere. Never give cash.

pikkumyy77 · 07/10/2023 09:50

F

ChesapeakeBay · 07/10/2023 09:53

What's the rational behind you paying him £40?

Kitkatcatflap · 07/10/2023 10:01

Although divorced he has found a new way to get under your skin and is still exerting control. Go back and read over your original post a few times - you are not dealing with a reasonable person. He is a liar and a thief. Nothing about this man says it would have been amicable split.

Your first mistake was not everything on a legal footing, he cannot be trusted. As others have suggested go to CMS. You don't have to inform him. Let him take you to court.

Keep all records/SMS etc. Keep your messages simple. As tempting as it is to get personal - don't. Get out from under his long arm clutches.

Good luck OP

Willyoujustbequiet · 07/10/2023 10:14

Please stop enabling him.

Apply to CMS. Let them sort maintenance.

Let him take you to court for contact if hes that bothered. He's refused mediation so apply to court to get the financial side sorted if you haven't already.

Grey rock him. Do not engage. Do not get drawn in.

At the moment you are the author of your own predicament. You need to stop.

RedSquirrelsRock · 07/10/2023 10:37

If you stop pandering to him, paying petrol and claim Cms at the proper rate. He might decide that he doesn't want to see the dc, would that be such a bad thing?
Stop making excuses to your kids why he doesn't see them and 'blaming yourself' - you want more time with them etc. The onus is on him if he wants to see his kids.
He's a shit 'parent' and not worth worrying about. His threats? All wind and piss.

RedSquirrelsRock · 07/10/2023 10:39

Darkmode2 · 07/10/2023 09:11

Classic case of a stupid man who thinks he extremely clever

100% agree.

Nicole1111 · 07/10/2023 10:44

He abused you financially and controlled you throughout your relationship and now he’s attempting to do the same. Set boundaries and stick to them. You will not do any travel. I‘m sure he will threaten to keep the kids as an attempt at control but this is a man that can’t commit to more than 4 nights of care a month so let’s be honest that’s not going to happen. If he’s messing about raise with the school that if the children are presenting differently it’s likely to be because of their father’s behaviour. Make maintenance official through csa. Complete the freedom online course to educate yourself about domestic abuse. Keep a record of all your communication. In this way you’ll have evidence should he take you to court to agree contact. That said he would have to pay for that and be motivated to find himself a solicitor and that’s highly unlikely to happen.

Nicole1111 · 07/10/2023 10:45

Oh and report him to the police for fraud if you’re feeling particularly brave

Hankunamatata · 07/10/2023 10:52

Stop engaging. Delete his number and block him, tell him you will repsond to emails only.
Go to CSA

Beachwalker66 · 07/10/2023 10:55

Agree with PP. Stop engaging with him.

CMS claim for maintenance. If he wants to see his children, he comes and collects them and brings them back.

I would crawl over broken glass to see my children if we had to live separately. He’s trying to control you.

MarliJay · 07/10/2023 10:58

Take the advice to put this all on an objective footing, using agencies to support you.

£40.00 for 14 miles. I work in a public sector job - 42p per mile and taxable! Maximum £11.76 for 28 miles!

My ex initially demanded I did drop off, pick up - long story, but he refused to sign on the sale of the family house, so that I could move to my new job, unless I agreed to driving the DC’s. So, 70 mile round trip, before and after my teaching job once a week, every week. 5.30am starts!

Then, in the divorce, he claimed the car I had saved for during the separation. So from then on I just said ‘no’, my family have ‘lent’ me a car that I’m not adding that amount of miles to. He missed a couple of weeks whilst he dug his heels in, but did all of the travel after that.

Stomacharmeleon · 07/10/2023 11:45

Please take back control for your sanity's sake.
CSA and grey rock the twat.

jamaisjedors · 07/10/2023 13:38

crackofdoom · 07/10/2023 08:40

jamaisjedors wow, is the picking up and dropping off by the NRP enshrined in law in France? Just imagining how many petty, pointless, stupid arguments that would solve if it was brought in here.

OP you are only being U here in that you are trying to argue and reason with this appalling specimen of a human being. Do not do this- you're just feeding the narc. I know how tempting it is, how you're morally completely justified, but I have one very similar and the ONLY thing to do is grey rock. No emotion, no accusations, and as little communication as is humanly possible.

Do you receive maintenance via the CMS? If not, I would do that ASAP, because then they will be a bulwark between you and him. But saying that, I still have an informal maintenance arrangement with my narc- they're experts at underpaying by just the right amount so that it's more bother than it's worth to involve the CMS. But formalising things would sort this nonsense about petrol money.

Seems to be standard in France - all the divorced couples I know do this, and my lawyer proposed it in the first court order and the judge agreed to it as standard practice, even difficult exh and his lawyer didn't try to object!

After all, the resident parent is doing all of the other running around!

Miracle2boys · 20/03/2024 16:19

Hi

Will try and keep this as short as possible, but just give you some background. My ex sees our kids every Wednesday and every other weekend. He doesn’t cover any sickness doesn’t cover any holidays has them for one week a year and summer holiday and a few days over Christmas.

when we first got divorced, we had a financial agreement and he was supposed to pay me a certain amount within three months of that he told me he wasn’t earning enough with no proof of his earnings and reduced it by £200 when I moved into my house with the boys. He used it again by another hundred pounds again with no proof over the years, he threatened not to pay if we’ve argued again again with no proof of his earnings. After many attempts, he finally great to sit down with me as I wanted him to help out a little bit more with his kids and spend more time with them. I said I was happy to cover all the sickness and the holidays, but would like him to offer in the holidays if he was working from home to have the boys for those two days if and when I needed it which he has agreed. Asked if he would allow me two weeks in the summer holidays to go away with my partner if I wanted to as Up until now, the last five years, he’s told me what week he’s having the children, and I’ve got to somehow find flights in in between those times. He would pick the boys up on Monday and bring them back the following Monday, so I have asked for a bit more flexibility He won’t commit to that. When we met up a few weeks ago, he eventually admitted that he owed another £200 but wants to take £120 that off a month to pay for his fuel to pick up the boys And only gonna give me an extra £25! And I’ve said I want at least £100 extra as I’m entitled to that and he can take the money off for petrol. If he feels he needs to. He only lives 28 miles away. On top of that he wants me to share the pick up and drop-offs and pay for after-school club as he can’t ever pick them up straight after school. I was happy to do this to accommodate him but I don’t feel I should do any of the pick ups and drop-offs on his nights if he’s taking money off me for petrol now and I’m paying for after-school clubs is this unreasonable? He doesn’t cover any sickness or share any of the holidays and I’ve asked him if he would help out more, but now he wants me to help him out more and said he’ll only give me the extra hundred pounds if I do 50-50 pick ups and he drops one of his nights in the week every other week. I just don’t think this is fair?

Miracle2boys · 20/03/2024 16:22

Sorry, was meant to say he has them for one week in the summer holidays!

stomachamelon · 20/03/2024 20:53

@Miracle2boys you're probably better starting your own thread.
If you have a financial agreement that take it back to court or apply to CSA. You are treading on eggshells and depriving your children for what reason?

Miracle2boys · 20/03/2024 21:08

Yes I’ve just started my own thread, new to this !! I feel he should step up more and just be a decent human