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Has anyone applied for a higher role within a couple of weeks?

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Toooop · 05/10/2023 16:42

Been in the civil service for a couple of weeks, it's my first time in the CS. I'm in an AO role, and I've been lucky as the team and our team leader are really lovely. Usual benefits like hybrid and Flexi time, very achievable targets.
Unfortunately I've discovered that AOs in this department do boring admin work like file organisation, and that's it. Nothing else. I really don't want to seem ungrateful as I'm happy to be in the CS, I suppose the role just wasn't what I expected. Because of how vast the organisation is, it's hard to know exactly what you'll be doing until you start.
Anyway, I've just seen that there's a large campaign for EOs in the same building I'm in, deadline is in a few weeks, it's an extra 3 grand and the role seems more dynamic.
Not sure if I'd be able to apply? Would the team think badly of me? Also not sure if you have to be here a certain amount of time before you can apply for other things.

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Toooop · 05/10/2023 16:44

Obviously may very well not get an interview!

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Hotcuppatea · 05/10/2023 16:45

I don't see the harm in applying. Go for it!

Broccoliforever · 05/10/2023 16:46

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ViaRia01 · 05/10/2023 16:47

Surely anyone can apply and it all comes down to whether or not you can demonstrate the required / desired attributes. I believe it may be necessary / useful to have your managers backing to apply (as they’ll need to backfill your role anyway so it also may come down to business need…? But my understanding is that it should be confidential and that your team need not find out that you have applied. If you get the higher lever role they will obviously find out then but by that time it won’t matter as you will clearly be considered a better fit at the higher level. I’d say go for it. If nothing else it will show your senior colleagues that you’re keen to impress and progress within the organosation so even if you miss out this time you can always give it a few months and try again.

Toooop · 05/10/2023 16:47

The job description for my role was very generic 'making effective decisions ' 'providing a high quality service' 'working in a team '. So I literally had no idea what I'd be doing.

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Toooop · 05/10/2023 16:48

That's my worry, that because they'd need to fill my role they'd rather not lose me from the team.

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divinededacende · 05/10/2023 16:57

Speak to your manager to get a feel if they're nice but you should be fine. I went all the way the way CS recruitment for a HEO grade role in 2020 but the offer was rescinded because the pandemic hit weeks later and everything was put on hold.

It might be frowned upon in some organisations but staffing in the CS seems fairly dynamic, people tend to move roles a lot and there's even a lot of lateral movement so that people can get the 'behaviours' they need for progression. I remember talking to a lot of the other internal candidates and the way they talked about the behaviours was almost cult like.

I get it though, my job description was really opaque. I'm still not sure what the hell my day to day work was going to involve, it only gave me the broad overview.

Broccoliforever · 05/10/2023 17:11

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Dishwashersaurous · 05/10/2023 17:13

In principle nothing wrong with it.

The only thing I'd be cautious about is explaining why you want to move.

AO literally stands for administrative officer. It's totally and absolutely an admin role. So the fact you didn't know that when you applied would be concerning

Wolfcub · 05/10/2023 17:16

It depends whether its advertised externally or internally. If its advertised to the general public there's nothing to stop you applying. If it's advertised only to the civil service you will be in your probation period as a new entrant and are likely to have conditions that say you can't apply for a role until you pass probabtion

Normalsizedsalad · 05/10/2023 17:16

Toooop · 05/10/2023 16:47

The job description for my role was very generic 'making effective decisions ' 'providing a high quality service' 'working in a team '. So I literally had no idea what I'd be doing.

That's behaviours not job description.
The job descriptions go through checks so there hd to be some indication of ehat you will do

Toooop · 05/10/2023 17:32

Very odd aggressive reply ...

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Toooop · 05/10/2023 17:34

I think I know better than others what my own job description said! That's not the point of my thread anyway, so I don't know why 1 or 2 posters are making such a big fuss, very odd and unnecessary. To the other posters, thank you. It was advertised externally.

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Toooop · 05/10/2023 17:35

And no, AOs can do casework, filing, it all depends. You don't know till you arrive.

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Broccoliforever · 05/10/2023 17:37

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Broccoliforever · 05/10/2023 17:38

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Toooop · 05/10/2023 17:40

You are not wanted on my thread. Stop trying to start arguments and stir up trouble for nothing. I do not need to explain myself to you. Go away now.

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Broccoliforever · 05/10/2023 17:42

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Normalsizedsalad · 05/10/2023 17:45

Well this is having bit Marks and Spencer vibes now

Hobbesmanc · 05/10/2023 18:56

I've a band six role that I started in June and I went for a higher band a few weeks later. I think it's a good thing to show interest in progression. Interviews are scored and even though I didn't get the post, they will take my scores forward for other comparable roles. Win win

divinededacende · 05/10/2023 19:09

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To be fair to the OP, you are being an absolute arsehole here @Broccoliforever .

Civil Service job descriptions, at least in terms of the recruitment ads are NOT always highly detailed, at least not to the point of actual day to day tasks and responsibilities. It may be more detailed when you get in as a starter but you're already in deep by then and possibly gone through a long process.

Either way, who cares? They've found themselves in a role where they think they can actually do something more advanced, why the hell not? Sometimes you dont know until you get in and get a feel for the job.

They aren't coming across as brattish or entitled in their post. They're grateful for the opportunity they've had but they're curious whether they could do more. Why do you need to pull them apart on an irrelevant part of the post?

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