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girlfriend44 · 05/10/2023 15:10

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24269678/mum-murder-baby-son-injuries-boyfriend/

Why Why? What do they get out of this?😡

Does it make them feel powerful or something killing a child?
If they want to take drugs give the child up? pity she didnt, she nearly did.

Mum branded son 'little 's**t' in text to boyfriend before pair 'murdered baby'

A MUM branded her son a “little s**t” in texts to her new boyfriend before the pair murdered the baby, a court heard. Alfie Phillips was left with 70 separate injuries and had cocaine i…

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24269678/mum-murder-baby-son-injuries-boyfriend

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Angrycat2768 · 05/10/2023 15:19

I really cant understand why people who clearly cant cope with their children to the extent that they abuse them go on to cover up their abuse and lie about it for fear of the child being taken away. Why not just say you cant cope and ask social services to take the child away? Maybe naive, but I really don't understand. Do they hit the child then feel remorse and think it wont happen again until it does?

LongLizStridesAgain · 05/10/2023 15:29

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FadedRed · 05/10/2023 15:32

It’s unfathomable and depressing, isn’t it? Every week or so another child abused/neglected/killed by the people who should be their loving carers.

ZeroFucksGivenToday · 05/10/2023 15:34

Because if they get them taken away they lose a lot of money in benefits that helps keep them in drugs. (I'm not saying in all cases, obviously some parents that do this aren't claiming money).

it's just heartbreaking though. So so many injuries :(

girlfriend44 · 05/10/2023 15:41

all such a waste of time as they end up in prison anyway and they cant take drugs there anyway and they are separated from the relationship they are in and hated by everyone and risk being beaten up.

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Totalwasteofpaper · 05/10/2023 15:43

It's money and benefits.
If you give up your child you get less cash to piss up the wall on whatever..

Alfie deserved a lot better.
Looking at his little face is heart breaking, it's so full of innocence and joy.

The fact he had multiple injuries consistent with repeatedsuffocation makes me feel physically unwell.

I hope the mother and 'partner" get maximum sentences and their time in prison is deeply uncomfortable.
The fact that these stories continue to happen is so so troubling

Poor poor child

Alltheyearround · 05/10/2023 15:44

Beyond words. Seems to happen so often when the mother gets involved with a new partner.

Aylestone · 05/10/2023 15:44

Angrycat2768 · 05/10/2023 15:19

I really cant understand why people who clearly cant cope with their children to the extent that they abuse them go on to cover up their abuse and lie about it for fear of the child being taken away. Why not just say you cant cope and ask social services to take the child away? Maybe naive, but I really don't understand. Do they hit the child then feel remorse and think it wont happen again until it does?

I’ve thought about this and come to the conclusion that they’re so stuck up and arrogant that they couldn’t cope with the stigma and shame of having their child removed from them. They’d rather keep the child they hate to the point they’re torturing and neglecting them so severely that they might die, rather than have people know social services have taken their baby away so they’re clearly shit parents

dottypotter · 05/10/2023 16:02

It says she nearly gave him up which probably means she didnt want a baby, shame she did not give it up.

If it was known she was taking drugs etc with him, the baby should have removed anyway.
How can you parent properly when your on drugs silly cow.

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girlfriend44 · 05/10/2023 16:11

Eeeesh, there's a blizzard of drugs in UK prisons. Espeically spice but honestly all sorts really. If drugs are your thing then prison is the place to be.

Im sure there isnt a regular supply of cocaine in prison for nothing?

What about the fact that you run the risk of being attacked daily because you killed a child element of it also. Nice way to live (not)

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Doormatnomore · 05/10/2023 16:47

I honestly that in all these meetings with parents who are at risk of having a child taken they should just offer them to keep the benefits but give the child up. Then if they take it it’s clear they aren’t fit to look after a child, the child is safer and we can just accept it’s a ahitty waste of money but a child’s life is worth more.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 05/10/2023 17:41

What a sweet little boy such a waste of his precious life if only she had given him up for adoption x

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 05/10/2023 17:42

Doormatnomore · 05/10/2023 16:47

I honestly that in all these meetings with parents who are at risk of having a child taken they should just offer them to keep the benefits but give the child up. Then if they take it it’s clear they aren’t fit to look after a child, the child is safer and we can just accept it’s a ahitty waste of money but a child’s life is worth more.

I agree

Embarrassednamechangeadoddle · 05/10/2023 17:50

oh lord that poor baby. It’s heart breaking isn’t it.

I think often these parents are emotionally immature and/or unable to manage to emotionally regulate themselves. So they become angry and they hit out, they can’t manage the frustrations and difficulties of parenting without violence.

I think some people are just horrible and like hurting others. However I think most are simply incapable of managing themselves any other way.

They probably don’t want to give up the child and admit they can’t cope. That would mean having stigma from putting your child for adoption and admitting to yourself that you aren’t even able to parent. Obviously it would have been better to have done that than hurt their child, but it take emotional Intelligence to realise that. Add drugs in the mix or any other issues and it becomes toxic. Add a step parent and the risk increases.

These cases are Horribly sad and horribly
Repetitive.

usernother · 05/10/2023 17:56

Its true that losing benefit money is often the reason for not seeking help. These children with broken bones must have been in agony. And living in fear. I also know that they will get a good kicking in prison and hopefully they will be living in fear.

Paul2023 · 12/01/2024 13:40

Both sentenced today. 19 years and 23 respectively

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