Trump gets gagged, McCarthy gets booted. What's next in Trumpworld?

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Roll up, roll up for the GOP Mystery Tour!! Trump thread lost-the-count!!!

His trouble is simply that once you have given someone a lifetime appointment, there's not a lot of reason for them to continue to brown-nose you. There is nothing further that he can do for, and nothing he can do against, any of the justices he appointed, so why would they feel any need to do what he wants any more? Before the appointment, yes, promise him the world on a stick; after it, quite fail to recognise him on the golf course. Or more importantly, in court.

Machiavelli tells us so ....

My understanding is that the UK or English or Scottish constitutions are written down, but in many different places.

@lljkk this is what I posted in my next post 15/11/23 12.06

What we do have is laws made by a democratically elected Parliament, including laws about the constitutional role of the monarchy. How laws work in practice is addressed by the judiciary, which set precedents based on a careful reading of the wording of the law in relation to the specific matter in question, such as whether it is legal to deport people to Ruanda.

Rwanda.

It's not illegal if the President government does it

I am sure posters here will be interested in a timely? 3-part documentary about how "Caesar broke Rome".

Remember the Roman Republic lasted over 5 centuries and was designed to be immune to tyrants.

Will history books in 1,000 years time be writing "Remember, the American Republic lasted over 2 centuries and was designed to be immune to tyrants" ?

Now Julius Caesar was undoubtedly an amazingly over-talented man in so many ways that Trump isn't. Quite aside from Trumps lack of military respect (I think it's safe to say his soldiers don't love him) the idea that people will be learning English grammar from "The Art of the Deal" is a fantasy.

("All Gaul is divided in three parts")

However, the real tyrant - the real dictator - will let someone like Trump break the house, and then step into what's left and put their boot in your face.

I can easily see Trump being elected and martyred on the same day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0gjlmkv/julius-caesar-the-making-of-a-dictator

I caught part of that! Found it too painful to watch much of right now. I think Rory Stewart made the direct comparison with the Orange Guy's bad behaviour (not his military or poetic skills, obviously...).

The key was the unholy alliance of Pompey and Crassus. It will be the key in our times. Beware of situations that have been engineered to bring opponents together. Right now I can't think of any.

Can you ?

Since it has been ruled (on 16th November) not to be legal, presumably it, like the proroguing of parliament by Johnson, IS illegal.

As with Johnson, Sunak proposes to ignore the illegality and do it anyway, of course. Apparently he is happy to break the law. Well, otherwise he'd have wasted the £140million we have already paid Rwanda to do it, and I'm sure he wouldn't want to waste money. (coff coff)

Well, we've just seen Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (the guy who calls himself Tommy Robinson) formerly of the BNP and a founder of the English Defence League, try to make a march about antisemitism all about him.

Beware of situations that have been engineered to bring opponents together.

I think that's spot on. I think I've seen a lot of it in recent politics, but about groups rather than individuals. Group A realises it's never going to get groups X, Y, Z to like or support it; so instead tries to capitalise on moments when X, Y or Z are in conflict with some other group (for bonus points, in conflict with each other!), and attempt to claim common ground or to work together "for this issue only" – in the hope some of its material or networking will stick.

Obviously it didn't work for Yaxley-Lennon on this occasion, and he was unceremoniously seen off by the march organisers and police!

Some making of alliances happens naturally, of course. I've never been a fan of giving people a label and telling them they're on Team A and must believe all the Team A Manifesto and be eternal enemies of Team B.

But recently I've seen a lot of attempts at alliance-making which have marks of being engineered – including, where need be, engineering or at least fomenting the conflict in the first place. As someone said of the Orange Guy, he holds a puppy down in a bucket of water – then pulls it out and say, "Look, look, I rescued a puppy!" Similarly Russia attempts to recolonise Ukraine, burns and mines farmland, steals crops... and then turns up on the doorsteps of African countries which were formerly de facto under Soviet imperialism and says, "Look, look, we'll give you all this grain to rescue you from the famine caused by the West's war." See also propagators of male control and violence against women who are suddenly supporters of "women's rights" - courtesy of trans issues (though don't you be asking for any rights which might impinge on anyone important, little lady).

So I think you're bang on about unholy alliances being key in our time. They just might not look exactly like Pompey & Crassus.

History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme, etc.

Anyone else been accused of being anti Semitic for asking what anti Semitic means ? Shaming ignorance and a desire to learn is the greatest power oppressors have. Making learning a thing to be despised.

No, but I was accused of antisemitism because I criticised Suella Braverman's rabble rousing in the run up to Armistice Day.

I notice a similar theme with "transphobe".

If you need to ask, then you clearly must be one.

Kevin McCarthy resigning from Congress at the end of the year.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/kevin-mccarthy-resigning/index.html

He's from CA so Gov Newsom will call a special election for McCarthy's district. It's about the most 'red' district there is in CA so the chances of a Dem replacing him are pretty much nil although there's nothing to stop a Dem from running.

According to Trump, his mental acuity is beyond reproach. He recently completed a jigsaw puzzle in a week, when the box said 2-4 years!

Fair enough, Wallaw, and I'm sorry to have made you feel uncomfortable.

Obviously trans stuff occasionally is relevant when discussing Trump-ism and Trump-ist and Putin-ist manipulation, as it's very clearly on their list of "cracks into which to insert the knife and wiggle". But fair enough to avoid when not necessary.

SC Jack Smith has asked SCOTUS to rule directly on Doofus' assertion that he has blanket immunity from prosecution under executive privilege. This would bypass federal appellate court and (I believe) put the kibosh on one of Trump's legal team's delaying tactics.

Leon Jaworski did the same thing during Watergate in order to get ahold of Nixon's tape recordings. SCOTUS ruled in Jaworski's favour and Nixon resigned 2 weeks later.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/politics/special-counsel-trump-jack-smith/index.html

Kevin’s a quitter.

Trump is objecting to Smith going straight to Supreme Court because it compresses his delay tactics. Despite the fact that if /when Trump loses at appeal, he will keep appealing up to Supreme Court level.
I k ow they are somewhat in his pocket, but SC surely CAN'T rule for Trump?
The Catch 22 is that if a President has unchallenged immunity, that means BIDEN can do anything he wants to do right now too...

Dreadful. Includes the fact that some Texas counties have laws against travelling out of state to get an abortion!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67687349

BruceAndNosh
The Catch 22 is that if a President has unchallenged immunity, that means BIDEN can do anything he wants to do right now too...

Like for example call off the election and declare himself president for life, with the succession to be at his gift?

Or just throw Trump into prison arbitrarily?

The Catch 22 is that if a President has unchallenged immunity, that means BIDEN can do anything he wants to do right now too...

Indeed. Well played Joe Biden for getting that idiot Trump to grant you unfettered power as president. I honestly thought some of the less thick Republicans would have spotted that a mile off. I guess they aren't that clever.

The Catch 22 is that if a President has unchallenged immunity, that means BIDEN can do anything he wants to do right now too...

And I'm pretty sure the current SCOTUS is quite aware of that, so IF they're inclined to do Doofus' bidding, they're really on the horns of a dilemma. Plus, a precedent as been 'sort of' previously set with the United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974) ruling by SCOTUS. Although that decision was strictly on executive privilege vis á vis a subpoena for evidence in a criminal trial. Doofus' team is alleging a much broader definition, that executive privilege grants total and complete immunity for ANY actions by any POTUS. Apparently, even actions they take after losing an election.

I know we always say "Oh that simply WON'T be allowed to happen" wrt Doofus, only to be shocked and stunned when it does. But I think if it does happen it won't be because he's calling in 'favours' from his appointees, it'll be because Doofus has some serious dirt on some of the Justices, especially Justice Thomas.

Of course, SCOTUS can simply refuse to hear the plea, which is what I sort of expect them to do and thereby dodge Doofus' bullet. They'll cite a need to 'follow judicial procedure' and say it needs to go through the regular appellate system. Since Doofus prime imperative is to delay the trial until after the election his objective will be accomplished without SCOTUS having to make a ruling at all.

The great thing is Trump can't really come up with a valid reason NOT to go straight to Supreme Court!