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AIBU?

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To be fed up with DS?

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mom222 · 27/09/2023 14:39

Sorry this is long

I have 2 boys, one turned 13 last week and the other is 14 in November. They share a room but they're both different personality wise. Eldest is loud whereas youngest is quieter and much more sensitive so their personalities clash especially now as they're going through puberty but they do have some of the same interests.

He started secondary school last year and struggled to fit in immediately, DS1 would say he would follow him around at lunch which he hated, he likes football but not playing it so he'd stand there watching them which DS1 would say was embarrassing. He then started saying he was “emo”, started listening to rock bands, wearing black, painting his nails , he tried to put eyeliner on, over the summer he tried to dye his hair black which didn't go well. It looked a mess so I had to help him finish it off.

I didn't judge him and I left him be as I thought it was a phase but its been going on for a year. He did become friendly with some boys from music/drama club but he still says he doesn't hang around with anyone at school, DS1 has backed this up and has said people do call him weird, he cares about how he looks a lot and especially his hair and a lot of the kids call him gay, I don't think he's being bullied and neither does DS1. He says the friends he's mentioned try to talk to him but DS2 tells them he doesn't want to hang around with them but then he tells me he was alone during break/lunch.

I try to spend time with him but most the time he complains that he wants to go home then when we do he says I hate him. The 3 of us went out for dinner and bowling yesterday and DS2 spent the whole time whinging that he wanted to come home his reasons were because he wanted to go on his game and listen to music. I told him no and he spent the whole time looking miserable. Then on the way to bowling he was saying he felt sick, I told him if he did then he couldn't play in his game anyway and he then started whinging again and said no one understands him/we all hate him. He refused to get out the car so we had to go home anyway so DS1 missed out. I took his controller and phone off of him and he shouted at me saying “See, you hate me/you don't understand me” and said he didn't want to live here anymore.

DS1 told him people would like him if he wasn't so weird which I did tell him off about. DS2 said no one understands how he feels and DS1 told me later on he said he was going to run away. This morning, he started crying because no one wants to work with him when they have to work in Pairs. I gave him his phone back for school and he wasn't upset anymore and was listening to his music. So I'm not sure if all the whinging/things he's saying is for attention or to get his own way but I'm starting to be at my wits’ end.

I've tried speaking to school and they have no concerns, all his teachers say he's happy and does well in their lessons but they were trying to encourage him to make friends. His form tutor spoke to him and he told him that he's not worried about anything and enjoys school.

I'm starting to get fed up with him and this behaviour. I don't hate him as he says but I don't like some of the behaviour, especially the constant whinging.

AIBU? And what do I do?!

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towriteyoumustlive · 27/09/2023 14:59

Do you and DS2 go out just the two of you?

Sounds like he needs some one to one time away from everything so he can be heard.

Quartz2208 · 27/09/2023 15:03

There is an awful lot about DS1 and what he thinks about DS2 and how it affects him and you but noth8ng actually about DS2.

he is clearly struggling and I can empathise I have one of my own though younger who is similarly struggling,

you need to talk to him and listen, accept that things such as bowling that you and DS1 enjoy looks like it is overwhelming for him and that he is lonely and trying to f8nd his place.

stop writing it off as whinging spend time with him,

5128gap · 27/09/2023 15:27

How would you feel OP if you'd grown up with a sister who was everything you weren't, and everyone around you including your mother valued what she was rather than what you were?
Because that's where your DS2 is. So far in DS1s shadow he must be barely able to the sun.
The poor lad is desperate to establish an identity for himself rather than be viewed as a second rate version of his brother.
If I were you, I'd be doing my utmost to uplift him for who he us. Take (or fake) an interest in the things that matter to him in clothes, music, games. Establish a relationship with him outside of your relationship with both sons and get to know who he is and show him you value him.
Stop asking DS1 to report back to you on what DS2 does, who his friends are etc. However well meaning, it looks like collusion between the two of you and further 'others' DS2.
I'd also look very closely at the relationship between the brothers. Do they simply not 'get on' or is your confident older son stifling or bullying him?
Honestly, if you don't address this dynamic, your DS could end up with long term insecurities.

mom222 · 27/09/2023 16:00

I do spend time with him alone, yes. But he's exactly the same with saying he wants to go home and spends the whole time in a strop if I say no. He enjoys bowling usually it was just that he wanted to play on his game at home. He refused to go to school last week on his birthday and I spent the day with him. When I asked him what he wanted to do he said he wanted to go “somewhere” but didn't tell me where. I took him to the trampoline Park and he complained the whole way there that he didn't want to go but when we got there he seemed to have a good time but as soon as we got in the car he started saying he didn't enjoy it and wanted to go home. I planned on taking him out for lunch but I knew he would've spoilt it by being unhappy so I got him a McDonalds and we went home.

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Newuser75 · 27/09/2023 16:22

Could he be depressed? He certainly doesn't sound very happy does he?

marblesthecat · 27/09/2023 16:25

Is there any way he could have his own room? Is there a dining room or a den you could turn into a bedroom for him? He might be happier if he has his own space and you could help him decorate it.

mom222 · 27/09/2023 18:04

I don't think he's depressed but he doesn't talk to me about how he feels. Whenever I ask him what he means when he says I don't understand how he feels, he doesn't really say anything.

I did plan on moving to a 3 bed house when they got older but I can't afford to. Unfortunately, there's no space for him to have his own room.

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mom222 · 27/09/2023 20:45

Bump

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Quartz2208 · 27/09/2023 20:47

He does sound anxious and depressed and not coping with school.

Mybasilplantispastitsbest · 27/09/2023 20:55

Can you lean into it a bit and get him some classic misunderstood youth lit and Barry m nail polish? Take him to a major city and say reluctantly ‘I suppose you’ll want to see that photography/art exhibition I won’t understand’ etc.

Isn’t doing this ‘no one understands me’ stuff very rite of passage? He just needs to create an identity very different to that of his brother. He also just might be into very different things. Which is fine!

Introduce him to The Catcher in the Rye and Franny and Zooey etc. What about music on vinyl and French art housey pretentious films or is that yet to come?

mom222 · 28/09/2023 00:15

As I said, I don't think he's depressed but I agree he seems to be struggling at school. He's fine academically but socially he isn't but I don't know how to help him as school don't have any concerns.

DS1 doesn't bully him I think it's just the usual sibling arguments but they're supposed to get the bus to and from school together and on Monday DS2 lost DS1 in the crowd of other students and DS1 got the bus home without him. DS2 didn't message me until I messaged him and I had to go and pick him up. His reasons for why he didn't message me was because I wouldn't care anyway.

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DarkForces · 28/12/2023 05:19

Have you tried sitting him down and asking him why he doesn't think you care and how you can show him that you do? Discuss how you deal with his behaviour when he blows up with him, be curious and see if you can reach a bit more mutual understanding. Don't ask him how he feels instead calmly describe your perspective of the situation, why you took his phone, why you felt this was the best way to discipline him.

Be accountable for yourself and why you do things and ask for the same from him. Model the behaviour you want from him.

Try to move your relationship on from this because it's not making anyone happy. In a damaged relationship use pace - playfulness, acceptance, curiosity and empathy to try to engage him https://ddpnetwork.org/about-ddp/meant-pace/. I quite like games like Sussed with dd to try to get to see each others perspective on things.

If I'm really struggling I get dd to plan with me, so we agree how I will discipline her when things are calm and come up with a mutually agreed solution. I usually start with us separately making a list of what could happen and cross off anything like hitting as that's not acceptable to me. Anything sensible on the list we discuss and adjust until we have a way forward. We'll review if it's working after a bit too.

Basically, what I'm saying is if you want things to change you have to change the way you approach things or your life will be on repeat. Add some new tools to your toolbox and work with him to resolve this. Good luck

What is meant by PACE? - DDP Network

Playfulness, acceptance, curiosity and empathy. PACE is a way of thinking, feeling, communicating and behaving that aims to make the child feel safe. It is based upon how parents connect with their very young infants. As with young toddlers, with safet...

https://ddpnetwork.org/about-ddp/meant-pace/

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