Train delay and School comments

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This article where a school trip got affected due to a train issue.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/train-passenger-describes-insane-11-hour-journey-to-edinburgh/ar-AA1hgSJm?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=25bfc61851b34909a01cbacaf117e103&ei=34

Pasting some statements -
"An X account for Greenfaulds High School posted images of the stranded children eating chips while sitting on the concourse floor at Preston station."

“If we had not, we would have 50 young children abandoned on the streets of Preston once the station closes."

AIBU to think that such events would contribute towards building some form of resiliency in the Children?

Rather than complain, should the school and parents be a little happy that the children were pushed out of their comfort zone?

"whatever" may equal to "I have gone through COVID, this is small fry"

Many people suggest on this thread that having suffered COVID, no experience can come close to it's disruption.

“whatever" may equal to "I have gone through COVID, this is small fry"

Many people suggest on this thread that having suffered COVID, no experience can come close to it's disruption.

In that case why do kids need to go through the train issues to understand life doesn’t always go to plan and to be pushed out their comfort zone?

You’re not making any sense

Imagine a teacher planning the next school trip thinking "Is there a kid likely to be abused in whatsoever way", "Yes", "Best to avoid this trip".
Sad.

Why is that sad?
Are you saying a child suffering abuse is an acceptable consequence of a school trip?

Teachers DO plan trips thinking that, it is called risk management. They consider all the risks to the safety and happiness of staff and children involved and implement mitigation strategies. If the conclusion is that all children can't be kept safe on a particular trip then yes the answer is "best to avoid this trip".
In what way is that sad?

Once again can you point to where I said I was abused on a school trip

Again you are making things up

Or where I have suggested there are no school trips as a result of a fear I don't have

Are you even reading other peoples posts or just using them as fodder to twist to suit your agenda

Imagine a teacher planning the next school trip thinking "Is there a kid likely to be abused in whatsoever way", "Yes", "Best to avoid this trip".
Sad.

You’re being ridiculous now. Any teacher I know that thought abuse might be the outcome of a mishap on a school trip already has these kids on their radar and work with them with a keen eye on safeguarding. Not planning trips around the possibility of a child being abused on their return.

Because the kid who got home and was slapped about a bit for getting in at 3am is supposed to skip around being all happy that next time a train is cancelled they won't be stressed out at all and they will be so much more resilient or some such nonsense

They aren't allowed to not be happy or to not be as insoucient as the OPs son because that would mean they haven't had enough adversity in their life to make them resilient

Is that to me?

Once again that's not what I said.

the OP is suggesting that any child who is not as happy as a daisy is that way because they have not had enough adversity in their life to build sufficient resilience

Which is an incredibly privileged viewpoint to take

This is a mad thread.

Bit lost with your reply.

Learnt "insoucient"

Cocooning children is a quasi privilege. As wealthier societies can take such direction, but what will happen couple of decades from now to such children.

Trying to keep conversation relevant.

Quote from Branson's book below. Did this help Branson? Only he knows. Did he remember this, most definitely yes. Did it cause him nightmares? Only he knows.

"When Richard Branson was around six years old, he was in the backseat of his mother's car on his way to visit his grandmother.

With about four miles to go, the future billionaire founder and chairman of the Virgin Group started acting up - and his mother, Eve, stopped the car, pushed him out, and told him to find his own way there.
"

Half the schools in Scotland are on strike this week - school support staff (cleaners, catering etc looking for more money)

How?

Out of interest given how well your son has apparently turned out have you thrown him out of the car at 6 when he was several miles from his destination?

Or expected him to be happy for the lesson in resilience when stranded in a train station with no more trains until the next day?

Or has your child managed his current level of perfection without going through these things that you think other children should be grateful to experience?

I see you haven't actually managed to quote any of the things you accused me of saying though.

@Insommmmnia no it was directed at the OP who I quoted, I know what you were trying to say, I too was that child.

Ah apologies! And I'm sorry you were that child too.

*"When Richard Branson was around six years old, he was in the backseat of his mother's car on his way to visit his grandmother.

With about four miles to go, the future billionaire founder and chairman of the Virgin Group started acting up - and his mother, Eve, stopped the car, pushed him out, and told him to find his own way there.*

Sorry you’re now advocating child abuse as a means to develop resilience?

Sorry was is an incident of abuse/neglect in Richard Bransons childhood relevant?

If you think incidents like that is what drove him to success, I would argue his success was mostly made possible by coming from a very privileged family.

Its unlikely the children on the school trip have white the same familial background as him.

I've travelled the Country on trains, and by far and away Avanti Worst Coast is the worst. Now as a single guy after spending all day driving one way starting at eg 6am, It is no fun being in the position these people were. Now imagine being in charge of a whole lot of children that aren't your own. Or being a child, who is by that shattered after an exciting day out.
No that does not build resilience.

PS, Preston train station is fairly large and bloody windy and cold. Not where I'd like to be stuck for long periods.

Absolutely bizarre thread, people are posting pretty reasonable responses and you're desperate to take anything they say to the extreme. Why are you so worked up about a school group being unhappy that they were left in the lurch? Other passengers got a weird but functional route home, does that mean they are in fact the cocooned ones? I'd imagine most of them were well out of your 'kids today' age bracket.

I rest my case. We have run the course of 24 hours with this thread.

Going on the state of the billionaire berk's railway, it would appear that being chucked out of a moving car miles from one's destination has had a big influence on how he thinks transport provision should operate.

Rather than complain, should the school and parents be a little happy that the children were pushed out of their comfort zone?

No, no, no, no, no!

It's clear you live in the south, or at least somewhere away from the misery of being a captive of the appalling West Coast line.

When up there, I've lost count of the number of times I have been left stranded at Preston station, or taken home to my town, about 20 minutes away on the West Coast line, but a good hour by car. And those of us who lived near stations on the mainline were far better served than anyone nowhere near it, or on the Manchester-Leeds, or Carlisle-Newcastle, or West Cumbria routed.

Once, it took me 8 hours to travel from Birmingham to Lancaster. It was scheduled to be a 1 hour & 57mins journey (I think it takes longer than that). I was supposed to be working in Lancs, so that was a day's productivity just gone.

Another time, I was on the 7pm train from London to Lancs. It should have taken just over 3 hours. I should have been checked into my hotel & in bed by 10:30pm, as I had a long day's work the next day. Instead, I walked from the railway station at 5:30am. There were people going for job interviews, there were people - like me - who were working the next day. We were given no information, no water, no food, and I got no refund on a hotel room I wasn't able to use. A 3 hour trip took over 10 hours.

This is the result of decades of southerners deciding to spend billions on a shiny new Elizabeth line, or the EuroStar, and leaving northerners stranded.

Your OP shows so little understanding of the third world transport standards (actually, Indian and Kenyan trains are far better!) northerners are expected to put up with. You have no idea.

Preston train station is fairly large and bloody windy and cold. Not where I'd like to be stuck for long periods.

It used to be much worse than it is now. Twenty years ago, the roof was pretty ineffective, so you got wind, cold, pigeons & rain.

If the Government and First Group ran a competent railway, trains would have been diverted around the infrastructure issue (I gather that it was at Lockerbie so the G&SW would have done, alternatively via Hexham). They would have had enough spare crews on hand and would have maintained good industrial relations so that persuading staff to stay on for an extra couple of hours would have been easier.

But no. Diversionary route knowledge has been cut, Alstom doesn't like Pendolinos being dragged by 57s any more, and in the space of just a few words the ex-MD of Avanti managed to piss-off staff sufficiently that they all started refusing to do overtime.