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To ask if work can penalise you for dependent leave?

8 replies

letsgettowork · 26/09/2023 19:50

Can you be penalised for taking emergency dependent leave?
DH needed to take it for a couple of days due to my ill health, to care for the children who are too young to be self sufficient and no feasible other support options at all.

His boss didn’t even know what dependent leave was and essentially told him he couldn’t be off and has told him he will go onto an attendance management policy.

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PercyMcPigface · 26/09/2023 19:57

This sets it out pretty well

www.gov.uk/time-off-for-dependants

I hope things are better now, and that he gets things sorted at work

tommika · 26/09/2023 19:59

They are not required to pay for the time off, but cannot (legally) penalise for ‘reasonable’ dependant / compassionate time off for an emergency.

A couple of days sounds reasonable to me, and going into ‘attendance management’ could be unreasonable - however it can depend on what the attendance management policy involves as to whether or not that is penalising him.
(eg if it tracks his attendance for a period and also can result in welfare support for ongoing needs then that can be positive, but extreme clock watching would be negative )

https://www.gov.uk/time-off-for-dependants/problems-when-you-take-time-off

letsgettowork · 28/09/2023 10:02

Thank you for the above.

There’s a bit more to it so will detail it to avoid drip feeding! Sorry for the length.

We had our second child at the start of the year. I had a pulmonary embolism at 2 weeks PP and baby had bouts of constant screaming every day, for hours on end.

Eventually diagnosed with CMPA/reflux after weeks of that every day. I had PND with our first and this constant screaming left me feeling like I developed it again. I couldn’t take any medication due to being on blood thinners. DH was off for a period of time due to the stress of this and to support me at home as my mental health was on the floor.

He returned to work for a day to trial a phased return but realised it was too much after that day so told them it was too soon to come back. They’re classing that as 2x periods of sickness. They’ve never mentioned an absence management plan until now, when he needed to use the dependents leave. Once he went back to work full time, no one followed up with him as to how things were at home.

I’ve been under the perinatal MH team but appointments are few and far between so I can go weeks without seeing anyone and we’re not doing any actual ‘work’ for my MH. My health visitor was seeing me weekly during the period of DH being off sick and his return to work and told me she’d more recently see me every month until I go back to work but I haven’t heard from her for months.

I’m also on the waiting list to be assessed for ADHD. Things were rubbing along ‘okay’ but my mental health has been on the floor again of late. The problems occur when I have both of them alone for long periods due to his shifts - sensory overload, physical exhaustion and ill health. I’m also incredibly triggered by our baby crying; terrified it won’t stop or will go back to how it was and bound by thoughts of being a rubbish parent compared to how I was the first time. I feel in survival mode and constantly panicked and riddled with anxiety.
Our first does go to pre-school but not every day. We have no other support around us apart from DFIL who currently is awaiting a knee replacement so cannot care for them.

I went on a KIT day (I’m employed by the same police force as DH just not a PC) and came face to face with a volunteer they were employing to work with vulnerable women (ex PC) who was actually a high risk domestic abuse perpetrator towards myself and a couple of other members of my family. I since was told when this was all reported, despite the risk, no one did anything and that some police officers now were saying it was pointless me trying to do anything as it wouldn’t go anywhere. This has also damaged my MH as it’s brought up a lot from the past.

My original post came out of DH going to meet his temporary Inspector on his day off to ask for a welfare chat. He was very honest and explained the difficulties at home and has asked if they can possibly make adjustments to his shifts anywhere, could he move to a different team etc.

She blocked him at every move and made comments such as, did we not think about his shifts before planning a second child (as if we knew what would happen this time), it’s his less experienced colleague she feels sorry for when he’s not there and that he should just look at becoming a carer for me. She even told him it wouldn’t happen, when he questioned what he would do if I worsened and ended up carrying out the worst case to myself.

They’ve told him he can’t have any adjustments to shifts and there’s no jobs anywhere in the whole force to move him to, whilst also saying he’s a competent member of the team and they don’t want to lose him (which is the real issue here I think). They have however, just taken on a new PC into his department (he’s not response) who’s been in less than a year and they’ve allowed to move off response before the 2 years, because of their circumstances.

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letsgettowork · 28/09/2023 10:05

Anytime he’s raised adjustments, based on my MH and what it’s also doing to him, they’ve told him they can’t do that for the good of the team or the local community. *

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MariePaperRoses · 28/09/2023 10:07

I don't understand the bit where you are the one suffering physically and mentally but when he returned to work after being off, he was the one that couldn't cope?

He's a police officer?

I don't think he's cut out to do the job if he can't cope.

I'm sorry you won't like my post but he needs to find a loess demanding job.

BarbaraofSeville · 28/09/2023 10:08

It's probably one of those where your DH is legally protected but in practice his employer can be unsympathetic/make his working life difficult.

However, I see that he's a police officer? Therefore, can he get advice from his union about his rights and options and for them to help him find a solution with his employer?

slobro · 28/09/2023 14:41

He's entitled to unpaid emergency dependent leave I think. Are they treating it as another bout of sickness and that's sending him into sickness absence management territory? Was he paid for the leave he took when he wasn't ill?

It sounds like a long term situation though so he can't keep taking 'emergency' leave. He could ask for parental leave but that will also be unpaid. I think they could offer him some reasonable adjustments on a temporary basis though. But I can also see from their point of view a longer term solution needs to be found at home so he can carry out his job.

KrisAkabusi · 28/09/2023 15:22

DH was off for a period of time due to the stress of this and to support me at home as my mental health was on the floor.

He returned to work for a day to trial a phased return but realised it was too much after that day so told them it was too soon to come back. They’re classing that as 2x periods of sickness.

Did he take the period of time at home as annual leave, sick leave or dependent leave? When he went back after the phased return, same question? Because it doesn't sound like he's been following procedures around leave properly. Neither of those absences should have been sick leave. He needs to talk to his union.

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