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AIBU for considering telling social services about my out-of-control nephew?

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HelloHilda · 25/09/2023 12:57

I apologize in advance if this is long.

He’s 14 and has been completely out of control recently. The year’s not even over and he’s already gotten a girl pregnant, drinks a lot and skips school frequently, gambles online and hangs out with a bad crowd. By bad crowd, I don’t mean criminals or thugs, but slackers/potheads. They don’t go around causing trouble, but they do skip school to go drinking in parks, play around on bikes and stuff like that.

It's actually shocking how much he’s changed since becoming a teenager. He was a very shy little boy, very well-mannered and kept to himself but seemed happy enough with his own company and hobbies, like painting, cartoons, riding his bike, playing with the family pets. He didn’t have any friends (aside from a neighbourhood boy who turned against him randomly) but he didn’t seem to mind spending time alone. He used to get bullied a lot by neighbourhood kids so became withdrawn by age 11 because he couldn’t even go outside because the kids would throws things at him, pick on him. Before the bullying he was rather outdoorsy and liked to climb trees, rollerblade, stuff like that.

Anyway, from age 11 to 13, he was basically a recluse and only left the house to go to school. He spent most of his time in his room playing video games and watching TV or reading. My sister says he seemed fed up and anxious during these years and would always complain he didn’t want to go to school, but she forced him to go every day. She used to let him skip every now and then if he really didn’t feel like going in, but the principal had to call her into to the office to talk about his absences, so after that she got stricter about school.

According to my sister, something changed when he turned 14. He was always small for his age, but after turning 14 he had a growth spurt and had a “glow up” basically. She says she notices girls looking at him a lot now that he’s good looking, like when they go somewhere in public. He’s still pretty shy, so he doesn’t ask out girls or seek dates. However, last month, my sister got a nasty shock when she found out he had a secret girlfriend all summer, who was pregnant. Thankfully she had an abortion, but her parents were absolutely furious about the situation and came over to the house to scream at my sister about how much of a lowlife, cold-hearted user her son is. They said my nephew talked their daughter into having an abortion and that he dumped her via text afterwards and wouldn’t even call/text to see if she was alright. The girl, who lives across the street so she’s hard to avoid, is apparently devastated and humiliated and feels like she’s been used for sex.

My nephew claims the girlfriend is the one who pressured him into sex, even when she knew she wasn’t taking her pill correctly. That she told him not to bother with condoms because she’s allergic to latex. I feel like he’s a real idiot because he thought “the pullout method” would be enough. He says he never really liked her that much, but she kept following him around, so he decided to hang out with her. He really seems to not know much about birth control/sex education, and my sister is very awkward about topics like that and trusts he can just find stuff out online. He admitted to having sex with a different girl too when he was drunk, but he says that doesn’t count either because he didn’t like her. My sister’s husband, the stepdad, is absolutely useless too, so he makes no effort to educate or discipline.

Speaking of drinking, he’s not an alcoholic, but when he meets up with his friends, he drinks like a fish and has gotten into so many mishaps because of drinking. He binges on the weekends and some evenings. He fell asleep drunk on the beach during the summer and woke up badly sunburnt. Last month, he fell drunk into a neighbour’s garden and slept there until the neighbour came out angry and threatened to call police, then my sister’s husband had to drag him home. He even rode his bike drunk and crashed into ditch and sprained his wrist. He’s frequently been too hungover to go to school.

As for the gambling, he does it online. He’s no fool and knows he won’t be able to withdraw money if he’s underage because these accounts require ID to verify, so he sighed up for the online account using his mom’s name. I don’t know where he got the money to play. He’s been gambling all year but didn’t tell my sister until he actually wanted to withdraw the money, because he needed her to give her passport for verification because the account was in her name. She was angry when she found out he was using her name, but quickly forgave him because he had won £12,000 and she wanted that money for a new kitchen and a holiday. My nephew was upset that his winnings were being spent on a kitchen and a holiday, but he let my sister keep the 10k and he got to keep 2k.

Sorry this is long, but I’m worried about my nephew because I feel like it’s only a matter of time before he does something that completely ruins his life. He’s way too young to be having casual sex, drinking, gambling, hangovers. I feel like he’s on a bad path. However, my sister and her husband are useless. They get embarrassed by his drunken behaviour if a neighbour complains about it or if they get a call from school about his attendance, but they don’t seem to actually care about the trouble he’s getting into because they feel like it’s a phase. I’m not trying to be nosey, but sex and drinking leads to lifelong trouble. He’s damn lucky that girl, who is a year older, had an abortion, but it’s only a matter of time before he messes up again with some other girl because he is a good-looking boy.

I feel like I should call social services or somebody like a social worker, just to give my sister a scare. I feel like she won’t wake up and discipline him unless authorities get involved. However, I don’t want to make trouble either and I don’t want her to know I’m the one who reported the situation. She will probably guess it was me because she tells me all her problems all the time, that’s how I know all this.

Despite his bad behaviour recently, he’s still a pretty nice kid (helpful, doesn’t curse, nice to animals, good manners, still a bit shy) To look at him, you wouldn’t think he’s getting up to all this drinking and sex. I know he’s a teenager and they experiment and stuff, but surely his behaviour is too extreme to be healthy?

What would you do?

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Tempone · 25/09/2023 13:01

What role do you think social services would play here?
It sounds like the 14 year old is making poor choices. How will social services help them? Do you think your sister needs a course or something?

Londonwriter · 25/09/2023 13:02

I haven't voted because I don't know, but are you sure the little guy doesn't have undiagnosed SEN.

It's the combination of shyness/school refusal/bullying/introversion with him suddenly going 'off the rails'. It sounds like he could have mental health issues, possibly caused by undiagnosed SEN. Perhaps he's struggling with friends/life/school, and feels getting drunk and sleeping with girls is helping him fit in.

His behaviour is very extreme for a kid his age, but I think calling social services on a relative also seems extreme and likely to push your sister away. Perhaps you should kindly offer to get involved and help out somehow, e.g. taking him out on a trip to see if he'll confide in you, rather than getting authorities involved.

Vinvertebrate · 25/09/2023 13:17

I understand your concern but I think you underestimate the severity of the cases that SS will be dealing with if you think they have the resources to do very much. (DSis is SW).

Floppyelf · 25/09/2023 13:22

Your poor nephew. People like your sister should not be allowed to breed if she’s raising him up like how a feral animal would
raise their young.

LlynTegid · 25/09/2023 13:22

I'd like to think social services would help, but very much doubt it given the level of cases they have to deal with.

You need to have a conversation with your sister about what support you can give or the school can, perhaps wondering if there is a MH issue that his behaviour is covering.

There are I am sure steps your sister could take to make access to alcohol and gambling more difficult.

Justgonefishing · 25/09/2023 13:24

Likewise I’m not sure S.S. can do much but personally I would email the safeguarding lead at his school in case they don’t know what is happening at home.

SapphireOpal · 25/09/2023 13:26

Londonwriter · 25/09/2023 13:02

I haven't voted because I don't know, but are you sure the little guy doesn't have undiagnosed SEN.

It's the combination of shyness/school refusal/bullying/introversion with him suddenly going 'off the rails'. It sounds like he could have mental health issues, possibly caused by undiagnosed SEN. Perhaps he's struggling with friends/life/school, and feels getting drunk and sleeping with girls is helping him fit in.

His behaviour is very extreme for a kid his age, but I think calling social services on a relative also seems extreme and likely to push your sister away. Perhaps you should kindly offer to get involved and help out somehow, e.g. taking him out on a trip to see if he'll confide in you, rather than getting authorities involved.

I thought this as well re the SEN. He sounds very naive and too trusting for his own good.

Createausername1970 · 25/09/2023 13:30

Oh dear. He is rather out of control - but has managed to earn himself £12K by illegal gambling! Its a puzzle.

If I were your sister I think I might be trying to encourage him to do a bit more of the gambling at home - with set money limits etc., - and her having access to the account to see what is happening - and lot less weed and shagging. And try and use this as a way through. These years can be difficult.

People do make money from being professional gamblers. Maybe he needs this aspect channelling.

HelloHilda · 25/09/2023 13:34

Tempone · 25/09/2023 13:01

What role do you think social services would play here?
It sounds like the 14 year old is making poor choices. How will social services help them? Do you think your sister needs a course or something?

Aren't there centres where concerned relatives can call about this kind of thing? Like youth programmes or something like that? I just need a social worker to come round and tell my sister that she's being watched/going to be checked up on every now and then. She's the kind of person who doesn't wake up and get serious unless there's an authority figure breathing down her back.

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Caerulea · 25/09/2023 13:37

The drinking, gambling, wagging school is all pretty extreme but honestly I'd be concerned about how he treated the girl he got pregnant, that's horrific & a serious red flag about future behaviour. She's 14 & already had to go through an abortion & he just brushed her off - not great.

Not sure what SS could do but he absolutely needs to be educated about how to treat women & how NOT to treat sex. Atm he's not looking to turn into a admirable adult man 😬

IncompleteSenten · 25/09/2023 13:38

Social services will do fuck all.
Services are stretched to breaking point and he'd need to be doing a hell of a lot worse before they'd step in. You can barely get help in dire emergencies these days.

HelloHilda · 25/09/2023 13:38

Createausername1970 · 25/09/2023 13:30

Oh dear. He is rather out of control - but has managed to earn himself £12K by illegal gambling! Its a puzzle.

If I were your sister I think I might be trying to encourage him to do a bit more of the gambling at home - with set money limits etc., - and her having access to the account to see what is happening - and lot less weed and shagging. And try and use this as a way through. These years can be difficult.

People do make money from being professional gamblers. Maybe he needs this aspect channelling.

That 12k was a fluke. He said he was playing on one of those crash multiplier games. I looked up this game online and it's a quick way to go broke. I wouldn't be encouraging gambling as a way to make money. His brain will be messed up by the time he's an adult with a job and he'll just end up wasting whatever paycheck he gets. Also, the 12k was way more at first. His playing history showed it was 34k before he went on a losing streak, and he cashed out the 12k in a panic.

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ReadingSoManyThreads · 25/09/2023 13:43

This isn't what Social Services are there for. Your reasons for wanting to involve Social Services in your sister's life are despicable. Shame on you.

Go offer her some help and support instead of considering inflicting such considerable stress upon her with the authorities.

Shimoo2 · 25/09/2023 13:44

I wouldn’t be too worried about the situation with the pregnancy. Most 14 year old boys would not be mature enough to handle getting a girl pregnant and treating her well after the abortion.

HelloHilda · 25/09/2023 13:45

Floppyelf · 25/09/2023 13:22

Your poor nephew. People like your sister should not be allowed to breed if she’s raising him up like how a feral animal would
raise their young.

I don't know where she went wrong with him. She has two older sons who turned out fine (good in school, lots of friends, in college/have career paths and steady girlfriends)

The youngest has been troubled since childhood for some reason. As a young boy it was just shyness and awkwardness and not fitting in, to the point where his teacher suggest he might have aspergers and should get tested. My sister never had him tested and seemed offended that this was even mentioned. The worst thing he did as a young boy was shoplift spree, but that's when he was 7 and he stopped quickly after getting caught.

This past year and a half has been the first time in life where he's actually hanging out with a group of friends.

TBF, apologies for any ignorance, but he doesn't seem autistic. He's well able to understand emotion, body language, can watch movies and understand body language, is rather sarcastic. He's also chatty around people he knows well.

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lavendersbluedillydilly12 · 25/09/2023 13:48

There is something really wrong with you that you want to call the SS on your own sister just to frighten her. She obviously knows that her son is in a bad place. She probably won't discuss it with you because you're so judgemental and mean.

Xiaoxiong · 25/09/2023 13:49

She's the kind of person who doesn't wake up and get serious unless there's an authority figure breathing down her back.

The hardest thing in the world is to watch parents fuck their kids up, either on purpose or because they don't know any better. I think all you can do in this situation is:

  1. talk to your sister and tell her she's on track to raising a total fuckup of a man, unless she wakes up and gets her head out of her ass and starts parenting he's going to end up in trouble that he really can't get out of like serious drugs, crime, etc. The pregnancy and drunkeness should be the alarms blaring. You're willing to support her and help her turn things around but she has to get serious about it.

And

  1. talk to your nephew directly and say - this isn't right. You're a smart kid, you weren't raised like this, you know it's not right. You're on the brink of doing things from which there is no way back and which will properly ruin your life and your family's life and there is no happy future down that road. The day you want to get things back on track, come talk to me and I am here with open arms.

Next time she calls to tell you about her problems, I'd say to her that unless she's prepared to take action you don't want to hear it. You're willing to help her make a plan and stick to it but if she's not willing to do that then you're out. And mean it.

bemorebernard · 25/09/2023 13:50

ReadingSoManyThreads · 25/09/2023 13:43

This isn't what Social Services are there for. Your reasons for wanting to involve Social Services in your sister's life are despicable. Shame on you.

Go offer her some help and support instead of considering inflicting such considerable stress upon her with the authorities.

You are so wrong I'm not sure where to begin.

Op if you are concerned do school know about his behaviour? There for me is a safeguarding concern that does need to be addressed it sounds like his mother is just letting him do what he wants for a quiet life

School could be a starting point as if they feel it warrants ss intervention they can refer.

There is no harm in you speaking to them either. He is engaging in risky behaviour, the drinking and gambling and sex , it needs addressing y someone and sounds like your sister is a crappy parent when it comes to stepping up and dealing with the harder stuff .

Personally I'd speak with his head of year or safeguarding lead in school .

viviscool · 25/09/2023 13:51

I have regular communication with social services in my job and the situation you describe wouldn't meet threshold.

NeunundneunzigHorseBallonz · 25/09/2023 13:51

Honestly, your sister sounds soggy AF. She needs to grow a spine and rope him back into line. He’s not a “little guy”. He’s saying what he thinks everyone wants to hear and playing the innocent when his behaviour is incredibly destructive and likely to drag others down too. DS still rewarded him with two grand for gambling. She should have taken the lot. He seems to like sex but not condoms. He needs to be told that contraception isn’t the same as safe sex and that he is risking contracting an STI and infecting future partners. Expecting a teenager to teach themselves about this online is totally negligent. Now we need to look into his other behaviours - drinking and gambling. Both addictive and illegal at his age. Why is this tolerated? He is using her name fraudulently and probably incurring debt. Is she insane or stupid? We all know what alcohol does to developing brains. He can’t afford the damage. She needs to get tough before her credit rating is affected and he is beaten up by debt collectors.

NynaeveSedaiOfTheYellowAjah · 25/09/2023 13:52

HelloHilda · 25/09/2023 13:34

Aren't there centres where concerned relatives can call about this kind of thing? Like youth programmes or something like that? I just need a social worker to come round and tell my sister that she's being watched/going to be checked up on every now and then. She's the kind of person who doesn't wake up and get serious unless there's an authority figure breathing down her back.

This isn't what social workers do. She would have to consent to any input from a social worker.
to be fair I'm sure school have already reported it if it's as bad as you say.

Xiaoxiong · 25/09/2023 13:54

She has two older sons who turned out fine

Sounds like they turned out fine despite her parenting, rather than because of it. These two might be key to helping him get back on track - are they around/in his life at all? Can they talk to him? Or even if he can stay with one of them for a while to get away from this crowd he's got himself in with? (We took in one of DH's siblings for a while, for similar reasons).

HelloHilda · 25/09/2023 14:00

Londonwriter · 25/09/2023 13:02

I haven't voted because I don't know, but are you sure the little guy doesn't have undiagnosed SEN.

It's the combination of shyness/school refusal/bullying/introversion with him suddenly going 'off the rails'. It sounds like he could have mental health issues, possibly caused by undiagnosed SEN. Perhaps he's struggling with friends/life/school, and feels getting drunk and sleeping with girls is helping him fit in.

His behaviour is very extreme for a kid his age, but I think calling social services on a relative also seems extreme and likely to push your sister away. Perhaps you should kindly offer to get involved and help out somehow, e.g. taking him out on a trip to see if he'll confide in you, rather than getting authorities involved.

No, he hasn't been diagnosed with any special needs. He was tested for aspergers when he was younger, but was negative.

He was pretty good in school as a child, despite not like school. Now, his grades have gotten bad because of poor attendance and lack of caring, but I think he could easily catch up if he tried.

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Redskyatwhatever · 25/09/2023 14:04

School would more likely have a result ( in our area there is some help with this sort of behaviour) if they referred your nephew to Social Work would his mum reach out to the school for help? She would need to be honest with them. SW services vary from Council to council but there will be a central SW number just phone the council and ask to be put through. No guarantee of help but if your nephew is at risk they may help. Does your nephew have a diagnosis of ADHD this sounds very familiar behaviour if he does. Can you suggest contacting Parentline to his mum, she will get support and advice there.

Londonwriter · 25/09/2023 14:10

If she has two older children who turned out okay, it does sound like SEN...

The reason I mentioned SEN is because my older DS is autistic, so I'm not surprised that Asperger's (autism without learning difficulty) has been suggested in the past.

Children can attract a diagnosis as they get older, even if they weren't diagnosable at a younger age. Generally, children get diagnosed with autism when the ordinary expectations of life become too much and overwhelm their coping mechanisms. This can be starting school (like my DS), but it can be the transition to secondary school or when they hit puberty.

My six-year-old autistic DS is chatty, sarcastic, highly imaginative, and has a pretty 'typical' relationship with his younger brother (they spent all yesterday building a house for a plush Pokemon from cardboard boxes)! However, his support needs at school are 'extreme' - he has a 1-to-1 and his school are applying for a support plan. I wouldn't have known he was autistic from watching videos or media portrayals of autism. All autistic people are different and it takes a specialist to make a diagnosis of SEN.