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How to split finances?/Am I being a mug?

82 replies

ReasonableSplit · 24/09/2023 11:50

Interested in opinions on how you think is fair to split costs here.

I've lived with DP nearly 2 years, in his house (mortgaged, his sole name).
I'm child free by choice, he has one school age DC, with 50/50 custody with the mother. They coparent well and share costs reasonably fairly. Both parents fully involved, and their wider families. After school clubs are available and used, so he has time to work FT hours.

DP & I have been together nearly 4 years, but were friends for ages before that, then FWB then FWB & house sharing, then sort of a relationship. We keep separate rooms which we sleep in 95% of the time.
[Might not be usual but works for us, don't need comments on that aspect thanks.]

I say "sort of" because when I've tried to get clarification about long term intentions, he says he loves me and wants this to be long term etc, but isn't good at making any future plans or saying what that would look like. He's being assessed for ADHD, which is probably relevant to the lack of forward planning. So I still think of myself basically as a single adult rather than part of a family.

I earn a lot more than he does, currently probably about 4x, could be more if I worked full time.
He owes me nearly £50k, because I agreed to pay off various debts of his. We have legal agreements on this, but he's not yet been in a position to pay any of it back. He would only be able to pay me back in full in the foreseeable future if he sold the house.

He did have bad anxiety for a while, and I was ok with supporting him financially and emotionally with this for an extended period. But he's been sufficiently recovered such that he could have gotten a job for about 9 months now.
He does some freelance work in 2 main fields, but this doesn't bring in enough to cover his costs, and doesn't take more than 10-15hrs/week total.
He's agreed for months that he should get a FT job, but doesn't really apply to many, and is quite selective about what he will apply for. At this point I think he should take any job, and then work to improve it from there.

I was paying 50% of the mortgage to him as "rent", and buying all of the groceries. He pays house bills, which are the same as the monthly groceries cost for 3 of us. He quite often has to borrow extra money from me or his family to cover these costs.
I've also paid for significant improvements to the house, and there are more that should be done before winter.

He doesn't waste money or spend on things he can't afford, he's just not bringing enough in to cover his essential costs, let alone any extras.

For example, we manage only about 1 date night every few months, and I always pay for all of it. Which I wouldn't mind so much if he organised some of it, but I do that too, or it doesn't happen.

I'm getting pretty annoyed at his laissez-faire attitude to working and being able to cover his own costs.
I can afford it, but since I don't feel part of a family with him and there haven't been any moves towards any kind of long term commitment (not marriage, just agreements on what we want, what the future might look like and so on), I don't really see why I should.
It's also off-putting for the long term that he doesn't seem to think it's a priority to earn enough. He hates feeling the imbalance between us, but doesn't do anything to fix it. I don't need him to earn the same, I'd be fine if he got a job and worked a reasonable number of hours for a reasonable salary, but it annoys me when he doesn't work much and can't cover his costs, and there's no urgency to his job searching.

I have now said that I'm not going to pay rent anymore and instead I'll deduct that monthly amount from the money he owes me.
I'm hoping that will increase the urgency of the job hunt.

So:

  1. AIBU to stop paying rent and instead deduct it from the debt he owes me?
  1. How should finances be split here?

3.AIBU to think that if he doesn't step up soon financially I probably ought to get my own place & entirely separate our finances?

Love to hear everyone's thoughts in general. Thanks.

OP posts:
OnlyFannys · 24/09/2023 11:54

If he isn't committing to you long term then I wouldn't be sharing finances at all tbh. Yes I would stop paying rent until all debts repaid and I would consider it a lodger-landlord relationship until he treats you like a proper partner. It sounds like he is using you op, I'm sure that he has feelings but objectively it sounds terrible

Octonaut4Life · 24/09/2023 11:57

Sounds awful, he's completely taking you for a ride. Definitely stop paying rent and start deducting it from what he owes.

Freezingcoldinseptember · 24/09/2023 11:59

Did you get your MUG tattoo professionally done op?

Jellycatspyjamas · 24/09/2023 12:00

So you’re paying him rent, paying for repairs to his house and have loaned him £50k? You have no claim on the house you’re repairing, no long term commitment and you organise and pay for any dates?

What does this Prince among men being to your life? I’d start by stopping rent as a deduction against his debt, get written agreements about payments for house improvements and stop using your very hard earned cash to make his life easier.

CherryCokeFanatic · 24/09/2023 12:02

So he gets to shag you regularly, have you pay off his debts, help out around the house and with his DC. You in return get a room in his house and pay half the bills? Great deal for him. Hope the sex is good at least?

JolteonBolt · 24/09/2023 12:02

You paid off debts for a fuckbuddy?
You paid for renovations for a home that isn’t yours?
You are limping along in this lacklustre relationship…and wanting it go somewhere with this loser…why?
You look after his child?!

Of course you shouldn’t be paying any bills. But he has the complete right to turf you out!

This is the muggiest, muggiest thing I have ever read.

IsSheEverOnTime · 24/09/2023 12:04

Would you pay for major work to completed in a rented home? £50k is a huge amount to be owed! I'd be more worried about that.

jeaux90 · 24/09/2023 12:04

I wouldn't be getting married to him. He sounds like a liability. I don't think you should be spending money on an asset that isn't yours.

However I do get the ADHD thing as I have a DD who has it. I would see how things improve with medication.

OP do you have your own investment /property?

I'll be honest though the dynamics between you sound like a parent child relationship rather than a partner.

Shinytaps · 24/09/2023 12:05

Sorry OP but you are being taken for a complete mug here. He gets financial support and doesn't really need to work. What are you getting out of this if you really think about it?

If you want to carry on the relationship that's up to you but I would be moving out and making him stand on his own two feet.

Adreno · 24/09/2023 12:06

Oh OP, what are you at?

All evidence suggests that you’re a smart woman but you’ve somehow put yourself into the position where you’re a lodger who provides sex (and cooking, and some element of childcare, I’d guess) for a man who barely works while you put money towards increasing the value of his house.

He doesn’t love you- nobody would take advantage of someone they love like this.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 24/09/2023 12:10

I think you're paying way way way too much. And I also think you're going to struggle to get any of the 50k loan back, legal agreement or not. It's too big to take to small claims, he has nothing to pay it back from, and unless it's secured on his house, you can't force a sale. No, I would not be paying rent, or any more repairs, I'd just try and recover whatever I could, but probably accept that money is gone now.

Rainbowqueeen · 24/09/2023 12:11

Get your own place. Get a payment plan in place. If he misses one go to small claims. He has no intention of paying you and he can’t afford his lifestyle anyway. He needs to make major changes and he won’t while you cover his expenses.

NoSquirrels · 24/09/2023 12:13

You earn a decent salary, you sound pretty switched on.

Yet you’ve loaned £50,000+ to this guy, improved his house (which you have no claim to) and support him such that he doesn’t need to work.

Stop paying rent, yes. Urgently force a conversation about the debts/house/relationship. If you don’t like what you hear, move out, and take him to court for repayment of your loan (which will get court-ordered at a pittance per month, probably.)

Ffsnotaconference · 24/09/2023 12:14

All that and and this has been going on for years and you don’t have clarification about wether it’s a proper relationship or not?

and you think his adhd might be the reason he won’t actually commit you?

MidnightOnceMore · 24/09/2023 12:15

I think you need to seriously address the financially vulnerable position you've voluntarily put yourself in.

Do you own any property? I'd stop paying anything other than food and consider carefully whether this is a sensible long term arrangement.

cocksstrideintheevening · 24/09/2023 12:15

So you really need to ask op? You're paying 50 % on an asset that isn't yours? 🤦🏻‍♀️

SausageAndEggSandwich · 24/09/2023 12:15

What the fuck

How long will it take him to "repay" your 50k by not paying him rent?

I'm guessing at least a decade

I would be investigating your options about getting that debt repaid. A charge on the house, court, whatever.

A loving partner would not be taking advantage of you in this way at all.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 24/09/2023 12:15

Rainbowqueeen · 24/09/2023 12:11

Get your own place. Get a payment plan in place. If he misses one go to small claims. He has no intention of paying you and he can’t afford his lifestyle anyway. He needs to make major changes and he won’t while you cover his expenses.

It's too high for small claims. Limit is 10k in UK. I think it's going to be very difficult to recover.

GreyhpundGirl · 24/09/2023 12:20

I think you need legal.advice. If you pay half the mortgage, and have paid for significant works to the house,you should be entitled to a share if the house I would have thought? If you stop paying 'rent' would he be able to cover the mortgage himself? Personally for £50000, I'd want cold hard cash from him, not you effectively paying yourself. I'm not sure I could put up with this situation and would want to be out of it. However, if you want to stay, you need to set firm.boundaries in place- like not bailing him.out for bills.

theduchessofspork · 24/09/2023 12:20

Yep. You are being thoroughly taken for a ride.

Do you own a house?! If you don’t sort that out even if you let it out.

As you seem to live semi detached anyway I would just get your own place nearby.

Yes while you are looking deduct rent from the debt. I think the only way you’re going to get this money back is from his estate when he dies, so keep a copy of that agreement.

It’s going to do him much more good to have to get back on his feet. You can be partners and live separately.

Ladybug14 · 24/09/2023 12:21

Move out and end this abusive relationship

Get the £50k back - as PP said,get a charge placed on the house

Stop paying for anything for him ever again

Get some therapy to work out why you're such a MUG

margotrose · 24/09/2023 12:25

Why on earth are you paying for renovations on someone else's property?

jackstini · 24/09/2023 12:26

I would be asking for him to put a proportion of the house - worth £50k - into your name

Can he afford the mortgage without your rent contribution?

Aquestioningmind · 24/09/2023 12:27

Voted YABU simply because you're being a total mug. £50K+ debts paid off for him + improvements to the home that you have no claim on.

He wants you for two things; a body to screw and your money. There's no future in that.

Ffsnotaconference · 24/09/2023 12:27

Op how much does he actually owe you.

Is 50k including the significant improvements for the house? Or 50k for debt….then you spent more on the house?

You need legal advice but it sounds like you are actually house mates who have sex and go out occasionally. Do you have any sort of written agreement?

You may have a claim on the house. But don’t be surprised if he claims that you were not ever a couple. That you were renting a room not a couple and you paid for work on the house knowing full well you weren’t a couple and you have no interest in the house.

He might try and make it look like he rented you a room and now you are trying to take a portion of the equity.