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Do our souls know when we're going to pass away?

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SwiftieGrainger · 20/09/2023 22:45

Please, please do not read on if you find themes of loss or bereavement triggering. This is hopefully intended to be light hearted as a thread. I'm just wondering if anyone believes we subconsciously know when we or people close to us are going to pass away?

I am not hugely superstitious and I have no real view or opinion on the afterlife that makes me more susceptible to taking on such beliefs but I think I do. I was at work and for absolutely no reason at all as I heated up my pasta, I felt the need to call my dad's uncle. We rarely speak- he's an absolutely wonderful old man, but I have never called him in my life. I just did it without any real thought and I could not tell you why. It was lovely, just a light hearted chat that I found time for in my day but hugely unlike me. He peacefully passed away in his sleep the next day and I'm so glad I called. I'm also really glad that somehow the phone call happened when I'm usually so busy at work I don't even respond to texts. It's made me really happy tbh to know he knew I was thinking of him before he went, has anyone else had similar experiences?

Yabu - death is random and we can't know it on a cellular level
Yanbu - this is a common phenomenon

OP posts:
Mummyoflittledragon · 22/09/2023 03:26

Yes I do believe many of us know. What I do know is that we go back to be with our loved ones. Souls, which are linked and live many lives together as we return when ready, reincarnate.

I did wake in the middle of the night and went to my stepfather as I felt he needed help. He was struggling to breathe. What I didn’t realise is that the oxygen tank had run out and I sat with him all night, unbeknownst to me, with low sats (in a care home).

I think being able to see when someone or yourself will pass is an incredible gift. I don’t appear to have this. However, I can communicate with people’s soul - if they’ll let me as some people hide / block me. I did so with someone yesterday and got the feeling he had lived many lives. It was an incredibly interesting and peaceful experience. I got an intense feeling of serenity, how you feel in a place of love and worship. He told me he thought he’d been some kind of religious, contemplative person and the feeling I got is that he’d possibly been a monk or something.

If people say they can see their loved ones, they truly are. These loved ones are calling them home.

Graciebobcat · 22/09/2023 03:37

I find it easier to accept that the person dying may have an inkling, but in their mind, not soul.

My dad had been ill for a long time and we knew he didn't have long, but we had no idea exactly when he was going to die.

Had no inkling whatsoever over grandparents' deaths or more sudden deaths of younger people - there were several family and friend's deaths that were a massive shock to everyone.

TeenMum87 · 22/09/2023 04:48

Absolutely believe we have a 6th sense that knows about this stuff. My DD ‘called’ my name inside my head while I was at a pantomime, he died 2 days later.

Also when I was a teenager my DGF came to stay as he wasn’t feeling too well. While out walking the dog I had a sudden urge to run home, as I walked in the front door my DM was coming down the stairs and declared he’d died.

Tourmalines · 22/09/2023 05:12

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 21/09/2023 14:33

I think it's just confirmation bias.

I agree. I don't believe in souls, guardian angels or sixth senses etc. I have no problem believing that a very ill person might get a physical feeling that they are slipping away, but I personally don't believe there's anything other-wordly or spiritual about that.

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inloveandmarried · 22/09/2023 09:11

@Rowen32 I think some people are more in tune with the spirit realm. Maybe more easily approached to bridge the gap between. I don't understand it.

It upsets me greatly at the time. And simultaneously makes me feel like I can't share this because a) it's awful news b) people think you are very strange. c) I could be wrong.

Before the last passing I 'felt' (actually she was singing to me) my deceased relative and was devastated. But she'd come for another loved one she was extremely close to in life and not the person I'd instantly assumed, who was elderly and ill.

I'd not seen the one who died for a long while. But again strangely, my daughter saw her months later the night of her death. She told me the following morning. We then found out officially from the family a short while later that this particular family member had passed on.

It upsets me. It's devastating news.
But, as hard as it is it directs you to spend as many moments as you can before they depart.

Springforward1 · 22/09/2023 09:17

inloveandmarried · 22/09/2023 09:11

@Rowen32 I think some people are more in tune with the spirit realm. Maybe more easily approached to bridge the gap between. I don't understand it.

It upsets me greatly at the time. And simultaneously makes me feel like I can't share this because a) it's awful news b) people think you are very strange. c) I could be wrong.

Before the last passing I 'felt' (actually she was singing to me) my deceased relative and was devastated. But she'd come for another loved one she was extremely close to in life and not the person I'd instantly assumed, who was elderly and ill.

I'd not seen the one who died for a long while. But again strangely, my daughter saw her months later the night of her death. She told me the following morning. We then found out officially from the family a short while later that this particular family member had passed on.

It upsets me. It's devastating news.
But, as hard as it is it directs you to spend as many moments as you can before they depart.

There are definitely people who are more in tune with the 'spiritual' parts of the brain which scientists have proved exists.

RainCloudsInTheSky · 22/09/2023 09:37

Do you always know who they are coming for? Must be so stressful but also quite reassuring.

RainCloudsInTheSky · 22/09/2023 09:39

Rowen32 · 21/09/2023 22:18

How do you cope with this as it happens me too and has since I was a young child. I wish it wouldn't, it's as if my soul is preparing me but it's awful..

Sorry my above post was for these posters.

OceanicBoundlessness · 22/09/2023 11:01

I don't understand it but I've had dreams and feelings about people dying in the days and weeks before. I've also had some that have come completely out of the blue with nothing like this.
I'm sure there's a scientific explanation that will one day explain it, maybe we're picking up on little echos from the future or something.

funinthesun19 · 22/09/2023 12:30

maybe we're picking up on little echos from the future or something.

I had a dream recently about my relatives all being together. So random because it’s a dream I’ve never really had before. It is a very rare thing for us all to meet up for family gatherings, apart from the usual things like weddings and funerals. In my dream, my cousin featured in it a lot more than anyone else. Her mum (my auntie) was there who passed away 10 years ago too.

The next day my cousin announced her engagement. So maybe the dream was something to do with us all being together soon.

inloveandmarried · 22/09/2023 12:58

@RainCloudsInTheSky

No I don't. I always know the person I see/hear/smell/feel them present, very well. But the last time I assumed the person they were coming to guide and I was wrong. The person in that instance that passed was another (equally close) soul that I sadly hadn't seen in many years.

I wonder if the departed loved one who comes back, gets to be present loosely on earth for the time just before the passing. It's always a few months.
Maybe they take comfort in revisiting relatives on earth even if most can't connect.

I know people passing can call out to loved ones as though they are in the room with them. They look for them. It's usually put down to being very unwell or confused. But is it?

I've often pondered but never got any closer to answers.

FartSock5000 · 22/09/2023 12:59

I've worked in care homes with the elderly and last year experienced the loss of my beloved Nana.

From what I have seen, the body DOES know when death is coming but I couldn't agree the soul does.

I have seen some elderly people begin to deteriorate and slowly die over 6 months. This happened to my Nana. The body slowly shuts down. The brain slows functioning and illness creeps in. It's almost like we fade away (when its elderly people).

Springforward1 · 23/09/2023 15:55

FartSock5000 · 22/09/2023 12:59

I've worked in care homes with the elderly and last year experienced the loss of my beloved Nana.

From what I have seen, the body DOES know when death is coming but I couldn't agree the soul does.

I have seen some elderly people begin to deteriorate and slowly die over 6 months. This happened to my Nana. The body slowly shuts down. The brain slows functioning and illness creeps in. It's almost like we fade away (when its elderly people).

I agree to an extent but to be fair unless people actually experience near death and then recover they can't know how it feels.

Personally I've had 2 experiences which leave with no doubt there is a spiritual aspect to life. A near death and a one off vision as described in the story of Bernadette. I told a Minister & he didn't look surprised. He just nodded & said yes she does appear sometimes. I know people come up with all sorts of explanations for this phenomena but again its only when youve had the experience you can begin to know what it feels like.

dinsday · 23/09/2023 16:40

In my opinion not our souls, whatever those might be, but our subconscious might pick up on signs, of our own impending death or the death of other people.

Also, slightly different but something to consider is terminal lucidity or end of life surge as our body approaches the end of life.

RamsesTheChub · 23/09/2023 17:05

I really don't know, but I've read a couple of interesting books in the past. One I can recommend is 'Old Souls' (sorry, can't remember the author).

My only personal reference point was a family member who was ill. They had been close to death for a couple of days. Having not moved for hours, they said "here we go, this is it" and reached out their hand, that was their last breath.

I like to think they were reaching out to someone in spirit and the message was for us as a goodbye. Either way I've no doubt they knew what was happening.

Olika · 23/09/2023 17:47

One day my grandad told my grandma not to miss him too much. He died 3 days later.

Rowen32 · 02/10/2023 17:59

RainCloudsInTheSky · 22/09/2023 09:37

Do you always know who they are coming for? Must be so stressful but also quite reassuring.

No, I don't, I knew once it was going to be someone young as it was so bad (the feeling and sense of doom) and then it was someone young and the cause of death was really tragic and sudden.. Other times the sense isnt quite so bad so I know it's going to be someone older where its more expected
Either way I find it so upsetting but it's also showed me that when someone dies very tragically/accidentally/where you think oh but if only xyz I actually think those deaths are meant to be now as I know they're coming months before...

Rowen32 · 02/10/2023 18:03

inloveandmarried · 22/09/2023 09:11

@Rowen32 I think some people are more in tune with the spirit realm. Maybe more easily approached to bridge the gap between. I don't understand it.

It upsets me greatly at the time. And simultaneously makes me feel like I can't share this because a) it's awful news b) people think you are very strange. c) I could be wrong.

Before the last passing I 'felt' (actually she was singing to me) my deceased relative and was devastated. But she'd come for another loved one she was extremely close to in life and not the person I'd instantly assumed, who was elderly and ill.

I'd not seen the one who died for a long while. But again strangely, my daughter saw her months later the night of her death. She told me the following morning. We then found out officially from the family a short while later that this particular family member had passed on.

It upsets me. It's devastating news.
But, as hard as it is it directs you to spend as many moments as you can before they depart.

Thank you so much for replying and sorry it's taken me so long to respond. I feel exactly the same..
I have a few people in my life who believe me when I say I have these premonitions but like you I don't like telling them because why have someone else upset too..
But it's awful and I don't necessarily think it makes it easier on me, when it's a tragic death I'm quite frozen with fear for months waiting for it to come so it's not particularly helpful and I don't think it's the spirit world trying to make things easier or warn me as its so troubling to my soul, I think like you I just pick up on it as I'm able to for whatever reason - I can't block it if I try, it just causes more distress, all I find myself able to do is just call in angels and loved one and ask them to surround whoever is going
It's so nice to relate to someone who experiences it too, thank you for replying x

RainCloudsInTheSky · 02/10/2023 18:22

Rowen32 · 02/10/2023 17:59

No, I don't, I knew once it was going to be someone young as it was so bad (the feeling and sense of doom) and then it was someone young and the cause of death was really tragic and sudden.. Other times the sense isnt quite so bad so I know it's going to be someone older where its more expected
Either way I find it so upsetting but it's also showed me that when someone dies very tragically/accidentally/where you think oh but if only xyz I actually think those deaths are meant to be now as I know they're coming months before...

Thanks for replying. And the other poster too. I wish I’d had something like that, something reassuring when my person passed away. There was nothing. No sense of a presence, no seeing anyone coming for them. Nothing that indicated there was any kind of after life. I would love to know for sure.

Mooshamoo · 02/10/2023 18:27

My dad died by suicide.

It was sudden and unexpected as those kind of deaths are.

One night, a long time later I had a really interesting dream about him.

In the dream - I saw everything that happened to him after he died.

I was behind hin watching him. I saw him wake up from his body and he was confused.

A lady greeted him. She explained to him that he was dead. And she brought him to a healing centre. He was a bit confused and disorientated , and they brought him to a place with healing energy.

I heard my dad say to the woman "what about tom and Anne". Which are the names of me and my brother.

My dad had realised that he was dead. And he was realising that he had left me and my brother behind.

The woman said to my dad "they will be fine"

My dad has been dead for four years. Me and my brother haven't been fine. We both have been very depressed since my dad died. So I often wonder what was that lady on about

cakewitch · 02/10/2023 18:33

My mother recently died, after a long illness, at home and on the morning of her death I was on My way to work. I had a very strong feeling I should turn right and drive to my parents house, but I ignored it, as I figured, she'd looked slightly better the previous night I'd seen her, and it wasn't time yet, and went to work as normal. She died a short while later. Kind of wish I'd listened to my instincts.

5128gap · 02/10/2023 18:34

When the person I was closest to in my life died, I hadn't got a clue. I was merrily going on with my day and was shocked to the core. No forewarning, of funny feeling at the moment of their death. Nothing. During their life we had that call each other at exactly the same moment, finish each other's sentences thing. But at the time of death, nothing. And there's been nothing since, much as I'd have loved there to be.

Bubblingblack · 02/10/2023 18:51

I remember the last time I saw my mum. She was due to be released from hospital after a long bout of cancer treatment but miraculously they’d managed to find no trace of cancer and she was set to go home to recover.

At the last minute she got an infection and they were going to have to get that under control before they could let her leave. She wasn’t herself at all and was a bit delirious but nonetheless she was still there chatting away and we all had it in our minds that this was just a blip before she was to come home and rebuild her life after a gruelling time.

As I left the hospital that day, she looked me in the eyes gently and waved at me and I waved back. Something in me knew that this was going to be the last time I ever saw her.

I rang ICU every day to see if they’d been able to get her temperature under control and identify what the infection was but they were struggling.

A few days after this, I went to my local hospital find out the gender of my 1st baby as I was 20 weeks pregnant. I found out I was going to have a girl and was desperate to tell my mum.

I then had this very very strange feeling whilst stood in the post office and I had ti run out and sit down on the pavement outside. It was a feeling as though I was being pulled through a tunnel- quite unlike anything I’d ever experienced before then.

Later that day I went to get collect some ceramic beads that she had made in her ceramics class I’d paid someone to put them on to a necklace. I put the necklace on and got a phone call from my auntie who told me that she’d died of MOF at the exact time that I’d had the strange experience earlier that day at the post office.

It was an unforgettable day and I’ve never known life to stand still in such a strange way.

The previous poster who said we don’t know what we don’t know is so right. We can’t underestimate how many unexplainable things we will experience but it can’t be denied that our mums grew us in their bodies is a pretty amazing thing so in a way it’s no surprise that when they leave this world we feel it even if we aren’t with them.

TribeD · 02/10/2023 18:56

I've had few strange experiences, and knew for sure the exact moment when my grandmother and uncle died.

When my grandmother died, I'd bumped into a friend a minute or two beforehand and we were chatting away, when she asked me if I had time for a coffee, I checked my watch, and I knew that she had died. She died at the exact time I checked.

Similarly when my uncle died, I was on the phone (hands free) to DH while I was driving to the hospital. DH asked what time he thought I'd get to the hospital, and I said, "I'm too late, he's gone", again, it was exactly the time he died.

I also knew when I pulled up outside my grandfather's house that he was dead. He hadn't been unwell, there was nothing to suggest that anything was amiss, I'd just decided to pop in for a cuppa and found him in his chair.

It's really nothing more than a series of coincidences but still...I do sometimes wonder if our souls "know"

MasterBeth · 02/10/2023 21:11

Coffeemakers · 21/09/2023 09:01

There’s no proof either way ? Maybe there is maybe there isn’t ? Our consciousness must transfer somewhere though even if it’s not into a further consciousness/awareness it’s not as if that never existed. Whether it ceases at death or carries on as a ‘soul’ nobody can say with any certainty

Maybe I can turn invisible or maybe I can't. Nobody knows for sure... There's no proof that I can't, apart from everything we know about the nature of reality.

Our consciousness doesn't have to transfer anywhere. It could just stop.

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