Brand supporters- do you feel the same now

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More details are emerging about his behaviour and history towards women?

YABU - makes no difference, the ‘establishment’ are out to get him.
this is trial by media of an innocent man

YANBU - supported him too early. It’s becoming clear that he is an abuser.

YABU

Neither of those options. He's always been a complete and utter sleazeball.

Nobody is 'out to get him' - it's been a serious, painstaking investigation that has been compiling all the evidence to prove that he is an abuser and a rapist. There are no conspiracy stories here about MSM.

Agree with @BIWI - no conspiracy at all - a little bit of justice is finally catching up with him, that's all. I never found his particular brand of humour amusing, but even if I had, I would certainly not be supporting him.

The idea that 'the establishment' is somehow 'out to get' Russell Brand is so fucking ridiculous that I hardly know where to start.

He is NOWHERE NEAR influential or important enough for 'the establishment' to give a flying fuck about him. And for those saying it was a mainstream media plot against him, did you fail to notice that the mainstream media itself (the BBC, C4, the tabloid press) were also heavily criticised in the documentary as being complicit in, and even celebrating, his behaviour?

Anyone who thinks there is an establishment/MSM plot to take down that fucking clown is utterly deluded. He's basically the millennial Jimmy Savile, except he's been exposed while he's still alive rather than after his death.

Nah, fuck him! He's been quite happy to spend the last 20 years as a very overprivileged, overpaid, not even particularly funny comedian - who's used lewd and grotesquely vile filthy humour for his career (blow job til she gags anyone!) And according to lots and lots of clips from T. V. over the last week or so - along with statements from a number of women, it has been confirmed he is a disgusting letch, a pervert, and a sex pest. And always has been.

He's made a lot of money and had a very good life with his 'brand' of 'humour' and has used the media and the public for his fame and his shows and his books and his wealth, etc etc .. So he can take the other side of it now. He can't just decide now that he doesn't want press and media intrusion because it doesn't suit him.

He is obviously a disgusting pervert - and more and more women are coming out and saying it. The thing is, I'm not completely shocked by it - and I can't believe anybody is. Hang him out to dry is what I say. I don't give a shit about him. He has had 20 years of wealth and fame, and used the media and public for it.. He can't just pick and choose his 'coverage' and exposure now. His career is finished now and I really don't give a fuck.

I am not a Russell Brand follower or fan. However, @ManateeFair 's statement that, "He is NOWHERE NEAR influential or important enough for 'the establishment' to give a flying fuck about him." is clearly incorrect. A quick search online told me that, "Russell Brand’s YouTube channel has 6.58 million subscribers and 1.12 billion video views as of September 5, 2023." He has 30 million subscribers across various channels. From taking a look at his Youtube channel (which I wouldn't have done previously) it seems he posts videos on controversial subjects, some of them silly such as alien interventions and some which do interest me such as people being nudged into a cashless society. He also has a pop at various members of the establishment who I could imagine would not like this at all considering the level of reach that he has.

With regard to the accusations, I do think they could very likely be true. But I don't want to live in a society where the media decides to spend years preparing a "hit" on people, releasing sensationalised "teaser" adverts and hints and then displaying before us a group of actors reading dialogue from scripts acting as victims coupled with dramatic music and cherry-picked lines from decades of comedy performances. They over-egged the pudding as far as I am concerned and these women have now been dragged into the whole circus. Present the facts in a non-sensationalist manner and people are more likely to listen. There can never be any trial for Brand now as no untainted jury could be found; the media have seen to that. I don't want to live in that sort of witch-hunt society.

Neither, I don't know him, I don't know the truth but I strongly feel that the police, cps and courts are the appropriate agencies to deal with criminal offences not dispatches, not newspaper columns. If he's committed an offence he should be prosecuted for his crimes, being promiscuous and dumping women isn't a crime so just the things that are.

All this media attention means any trial cannot be fair.

I support justice not trial by media

What @Lazyusername said.

To be clear - always thought he was a misogynistic pig. And am not in the least bit surprised to hear he is a rapist.
i’m genuinely baffled by his supporters, particularly women. Why on earth they would think any one cares about ‘silencing’ him in the first place is a mystery to me.
No-one other than his YouTube accolades give a shit about his hippy, dippy conspiracy theory nonsense.

As I said, there's nothing wrong with 'trial by media' when it's somebody that's made an illustrious career and millions of £££ out of using the media to make it happen. As I said, you can't just pick and choose when you get media intrusion.

And there is SO much evidence that Russell brand is an absolute hideous pervert and a sex pest. These women aren't fucking lying.

You use the media for your fame and your wealth and to be an overprivileged overpaid rich man, then you can take the shitty side of it as well. Them intruding on things you don't want them to intrude into is something you have to accept.. You don't get to pick and choose. He doesn't have that right. The media have every right to do what they're doing.

Neither. I always thought he strange and can't understand why he some called.popular.

@gogomoto

I strongly feel that the police, cps and courts are the appropriate agencies to deal with criminal offences not dispatches, not newspaper columns. If he's committed an offence he should be prosecuted for his crimes, being promiscuous and dumping women isn't a crime so just the things that are

But the whole point of the investigation was that nobody in a position of power (be that his media bosses or the police) was doing anything about him even though his behaviour was widely known. And the women he assaulted and/or coerced were frightened to come forwards, because they were accusing someone more famous than them - and because they were worried that they wouldn't be believed (at best), and (at worst) that they might lose their jobs.

So it takes a long, serious investigation by respected journalists and newspapers to gather all the evidence together, so that the police can take things forward, and that any women involved are more confident about telling their stories.

The police are investigating it now (as are the BBC and other organisations that Brand was part of/employed by), so this builds a case whereby he can be dealt with on a legal basis.

Oh, and if you think this whole affair is just about him being promiscuous and dumping women, you are both naive and deluded.

Russell.Brand has always been controversial and a sleaze ball.,were there ever many supporters for him?
He's hardly Jimmy Saville,who.was seen by many as St Jim,and national.treasure .

Hopefully, he ends up inside, with a big cell mate called "Mary" experiencing the other side of that blow job till he gags. I hope it makes his mascara run too.

‘I strongly feel that the police, cps and courts are the appropriate agencies to deal with criminal offences not dispatches, not newspaper columns.’

and if they police can’t be trusted, don’t give a damn, or don’t have evidence ? Investigative journalism may just have got the police the evidence they need

YABU for starting yet another thread about him.

The so called right wing press exposing him thank goodness hopefully this oily moron is finished. He hated the right wing and the left protected him. Just as they did Savil until a Tory pm could be blamed. Islington survivors. Nurses and doctors threatened by NHS management and the unions to protect labour from an NHS scandal in the seventies. When there is money to be made silence is the answer.

Don't want to see his awful lying sexist face again. Ek it's everywhere.

I am not a Russell Brand follower or fan. However, @ManateeFair 's statement that, "He is NOWHERE NEAR influential or important enough for 'the establishment' to give a flying fuck about him." is clearly incorrect.

This. I don't watch Russell Brand and haven't watched or read the exposés, because I still think things should go through the courts but if the establishment do not want to get him, why did the Chair of the Culture, Media and Sport Committee try to shut down his source of earnings?

I'm disgusted that a member of the government has so little faith in the rule of law in the UK that they are trying to circumvent it.

@ManateeFair he has been a hugely influencial voice over the past few years. He has a massive podcast, YouTube channel and does tours. He has been one of the biggest anti establishment voices there is. His career didn’t die when he stopped comedy.

in answer to your question OP, I didn’t want to believe it when the stories first came out. I have enjoyed listening his stance on many things - Covid, climate change, Epstein flight logs etc, not that I’ve necessarily agreed with everything he said, but unlike the lefties I enjoy listening to all sides of the argument and don’t think anyone should be shut down for going against the grain. However, some of the stories have been very very telling. I had a friend who slept with RB when she was young (she has never indicated it was non consensual), and the circumstances she mentioned were very similar to one of the stories told in the press, where he essentially hunted down a young school girl and sent a car to her school to pick her up (my friend was older but he did send a car to her, a very long distance too) which told me it’s not a pack of lies by the media.

There is too much evidence weighted against him and he should be locked up for a very long time.

Agree.

I'd love to live in a world where women could get justice in court.

But that world doesn't exist so at least he's getting his comeuppance another way.

It's not as painful as the experience he caused his victims

People couldn’t speak out for fear of being sued for slander and not being able to work again. So it was right for there to be a media investigation so these allegations could be made.
However it undermines the premise that the establishment are not out to get him when the Chair of a government committee immediately writes to Rumble to ask them to withdraw his access to earnings. It really is an own goal.

Exactly!

It goes back to the seedy side of the industry as a whole. He was protected when it suited everyone and now being exposed, just like others in the entertainment industry. There are open secrets about so many of these sleazy characters. Once it comes out then it's 'oh everyone knew. It was all done out in the open'

I watched his channel occasionally. He focused a lot on the corruption of big corporations and government which was always interesting and seemed well researched by his team.
It's undeniable that the corruption exists. There seems to be nothing more important than creating wealth for corporations and their shareholders and that does get prioritised.

I always thought he came across as a sleaze and used to wonder how he got so many women as he always just looked bedraggled and on substances. I'm disgusted with all the sending cars to school stuff, if it's true and more disgusted that I've realised that it's just so normalised in the entertainment industry. From Saville to R Kelly, Schofield to Brand.
Just hideous.