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My professional salary only just covers my rent. How can this be?

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Rentmakesmepoor · 19/09/2023 09:20

I am an occupational therapist in the NHS. I am a single parent. After tax, student loan and pension I take home roughly £1900.
I live in the South East of England. My rent is £1750 a month for a 3 bed, SMALL semi detached house with a courtyard garden

How is it that we have got to the point in this country that my salary literally just pays for my rent and nothing else??

I am permanently skint. I am not looking for solutions as I do nd claim everything I can (which is not alot).

But how can this be?

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EarlofShrewsbury · 20/09/2023 21:25

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 19/09/2023 20:34

I've put the info the OP has shared into Entitled.to and its estimated that she can claim £310.70 pcm in Child Benefit. Plus she can claim £1815.36 in Universal Credit.

This brings the OPs income to a (sensible) estimate of £4k pcm.

Interesting.

Oh! And this was assuming zero childcare costs and doesn't include the discounted council tax. So she would receive more if she has childcare bills to pay too.

That doesn't make it OK though.

It doesn't change the fact that the OP can't afford the rent with a fairly decent job.

If 'professionals' are needing to claim so much in top up benefit there is something seriously wrong.

Rents are insanely high in some areas and the government are just handing out the money to cover it. Wages should cover it or rents should be lower. The country/taxpayers are lining the pockets of landlords and nothing is being done about it.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 20/09/2023 21:31

Whatapickle23 · 20/09/2023 20:55

All occupational therapists, nurses, teachers, care assistants, shop assistants, cleaners, anyone in a job that doesn't pay big bucks should be removed from the south and resettled up north where everyone knows you can buy a 3 bed semi for a fiver and a KitKat. Previous posters are right, anyone who isn't wealthy is the scourge of society and doesn't deserve to live in the prestigious south.

Children can be taught online by private tutors, anyone needing care or medical treatment can obviously move up north or travel up north for treatment. People will have to grow their own food and clean their own houses and offices on their lunch breaks from their big important jobs.

OP is a terrible human being for choosing a career in a helping profession instead of the mumsnet ideal of financial services. Ditto for having 4 children with her partner, how dare she have children in her TWENTIES!!! The audacity of it! And then her relationship ended and her partner died. This was obviously on purpose so that OP could claim benefits and be villified for it on mumsnet. Also, what an idiot for not buying her own home years ago! Everyone should have bought their own home and anyone who didn't and is now struggling with extortionate rent increases has no right to complain because it's all their own fault for being poor!

I moved up north and lived in a tent for 6 years with my 3 children as I retrained in (insert acceptable job) and now I earn £500,000 per day and live in a mansion, why can't OP do the same?

NOT MY ACTUAL VIEWS, JUST A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE ABSOLUTE SHITE THAT HAS BEEN POSTED ON THIS THREAD SO FAR. YES, THE CAPITALS ARE NECESSARY.

That's a fair summary of a lot of the shite being spouted on this thread. Some of the comments are batshit, and would be funny if they didn't display such horrifying ignorance and spite.

NalafromtheLionKing · 20/09/2023 21:44

EarlofShrewsbury · 20/09/2023 21:25

That doesn't make it OK though.

It doesn't change the fact that the OP can't afford the rent with a fairly decent job.

If 'professionals' are needing to claim so much in top up benefit there is something seriously wrong.

Rents are insanely high in some areas and the government are just handing out the money to cover it. Wages should cover it or rents should be lower. The country/taxpayers are lining the pockets of landlords and nothing is being done about it.

It’s not just a professional trying to support herself though.

People are being critical because anyone who is a relatively low earner and renting who has four(!) children in their twenties with a boyfriend is automatically putting themselves in an extremely precarious position. I earn several times the OP’s salary (PT) and am a married homeowner but we still stuck at two DC largely for financial reasons.

Of course it is very sad that OP’s ex died but surely unrealistic to say that she should be able to single-handedly support a family of five in an expensive location without benefit top ups. Not a moral judgement on OP’s job or other life choices as morality is irrelevant to this situation.

Oaktree1233 · 25/09/2023 19:35

I dd not realise that the OP had 4 kids as she failed to mention a fairly relevant and pertinent fact in her opening post.

According to official NHS Data OT’s start on salaries of £26500 to £31634. However specialist OT’s can earn £32306 to £39,027. Advanced specialists can earn £40,057 to £45,839 and clinical leads can earn £63,872.

So she has the opportunity to earn more. There are numerous jobs advertised on the NHS and council websites for in the region of £40,000 plus. For instance, a senior occupational paediatric therapist is required in Hampshire pay £42,000 to 46549 plus benefits

Private OT cam earn considerably more. She is allowed to and can combine her NHS work with private work and have huge earnings. She can simply work one day a week privately. As a private OT she could be earning up to £76,000 once 8 years qualified.

There is a colossal shortage of private OTs. I was unable easily to find an occupational therapist for my SEN son. I needed one to work weekly with him and I needed another to prepare reports for Tribunal. When we had to pay for reports they were costing sizeable amounts and also we had to pay for that OT to attend Tribunal.

Like many jobs, there is more money to be made for instance diversifying into private work and doing Tribunal work or just offering regular private OT to SEN kids.

Like many professions you can choose to do more worthy public work or do both public and private work or just private. It’s a choice you make. it has always been that way for many professions and nothing much has changed in decades.

So, in my previous line of work would be the equivalent of working for a really badly paid criminal defence law firm, the CPS or doing legal aid family law as opposed to going something more financially rewarding.

The bottom line is that for professions that work for the state or are funded by the state the financial rewards are and have always been poor. The state has not got much money and taxes are already at an all time high.

So for instance, Criminal lawyers can earn as little as about £26000 per annum maybe rising to £45000 but with( unlike OT in the NHS) no decent pension other than the auto enrolment. To become a lawyer you need 3 years university, 1 year law school and 2 years training minimum. In reality you required probably a couple of years working as a paralegal on about £20,000 to get a training contract. So that’s 8 years training for that pay. So elope tend to not go into that career without a vocation.

Even 30 years ago few people would voluntarily work for the CPS or a high street criminal law practice. Of those that did, some eventually became locum prosecutors on quite sizeable daily chunks as they approached retirement.
It was accepted thar working for the state your pay is lower and unlike the NHS private criminal lawyers did not even get decent public sector pension.

As for the 4 children, it is perfectly fair to say that having 4 children is a luxury in this day and age. Having children before establishing your career is also unusual in this day and age and another luxury. There are few working people who have more than 2 children maybe 3 at a push and most wait until they’re 30’s. To have so many children and to do so younger is a decision that someone has made and it does have financial consequences. It does impact your career and Carrer progression as you have so much time off for maternity leave etc.

The reality is that many of us would have loved more children but lacked the support or money to do so without making huge financial sacrifices. I think it’s fair to all people who have had to chose 2 children only to acknowledge that. Having so many children will impact earning potential and career advancement - again a decision that she made.

An OT who is ambitious and career driven can do both NHS and private work combined and have a pretty good income.

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