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How to protect myself against dogs

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Dogscared · 17/09/2023 14:30

I know this topic is somewhat done to death on MN but I'm stressing.

I have two Ddogs (large breed but not a breed considered aggressive). I also have a 7 month old DD.

I walk the dogs everyday with my DD in a sling. They're always on leads and always under control. I've just seen on the news a local man has been attacked by 2 dogs and later died from his injuries. The dogs have been put down.

My dogs need walking. I don't have anyone in the day to take care of DD while I walk them unless I get up super early and walk them before DH goes to work and my DD loves being in the sling with me while out on our walk.

Part of me thinks why should I have to change a lovely activity for my DD because of these out of control dogs...but I'm not sleeping well thinking of what I would do if dogs started to attack us.

AIBU to stop walking the dogs with my DD? Does anyone have any ideas for dog deterants?

OP posts:
stillawip · 17/09/2023 15:30

Like a PP said, don’t make eye contact, turn your back, ie look as least threatening as possible. I also saw a tip which said that, if you or your dog are attacked & the attacking dog has a collar on, try to grab the collar and twist and twist it. This will restrict the dog’s airways and then hopefully it will let go in order to breathe

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 17/09/2023 15:32

Not dog related but OP would you really jump into a canal whilst wearing your baby in a sling?? That's a pretty bad idea, some canals can be DEEP.

I'd say being aware of other dogs approaching and their body language, having your two trained very well to ignore other dogs and not provoke a fight, and giving other walkers plenty of space is the very best you can do.
And in the extremely unlikely event that your dogs get into a fight or you are approached by an out of control dog, let your dogs go and turn your back.

It's not an irrational fear but it is very very very unlikely to happen so don't let it spoil all the goodness that comes from your walks x

Balloonhearts · 17/09/2023 15:37

I've had dogs all my life, medium to large breeds.

I can count on one hand the times they've been attacked by other dogs and all 3 times it was a brief scuffle, hauled away by collars while apologising to me, no serious injuries to either dog.

Its very very unlikely that you will get attacked. And if you do, let them go. Let go of the lead. They'll either leg it away from the attackers or they'll retaliate and make fairly short work of it considering there are 2 of them and they're large.

That's what I'd do. I did it once with my Rottie.

The Staffie started it, mine finished it. Had the staffie pinned in about 6 seconds flat and looked at me confused like 'is this some kind of joke?'

Saschka · 17/09/2023 15:41

Not dog related but OP would you really jump into a canal whilst wearing your baby in a sling?? That's a pretty bad idea, some canals can be DEEP.

Yep I was coming to say this - FFS OP don’t do that, unless you have done it before at that exact spot and know it is slow moving water, free from obstruction, and only knee deep. Even then, Nicola Bulley drowned in a 1m deep river. If it is deeper than you think, or the current knocks you over, you aren’t going to be able to tread water high enough to keep a baby in a sling’s head above water.

Dogscared · 17/09/2023 15:43

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 17/09/2023 15:32

Not dog related but OP would you really jump into a canal whilst wearing your baby in a sling?? That's a pretty bad idea, some canals can be DEEP.

I'd say being aware of other dogs approaching and their body language, having your two trained very well to ignore other dogs and not provoke a fight, and giving other walkers plenty of space is the very best you can do.
And in the extremely unlikely event that your dogs get into a fight or you are approached by an out of control dog, let your dogs go and turn your back.

It's not an irrational fear but it is very very very unlikely to happen so don't let it spoil all the goodness that comes from your walks x

I know I just meant if it was pure life or death fight, that's what I imagine myself having to do.

OP posts:
SummerDawn2000 · 17/09/2023 15:50

@Dogscared your dogs and baby sound lovely OP. Can we have a picture of your two doggies. To add do what you’re doing and keep training them up. Leads are a good idea and maybe find walks that aren’t as popular with other dog walkers if poss and if it will help your anxiety.

WetBandits · 17/09/2023 15:59

Thankfully, attacks are rare and it’s more likely that your dog would be the target rather than you. However, these are the tips I can offer (and I hope you will never need them) - buckle up, it’s a long read!

If a dog that is heading towards you looks like it might be about to attack, do not run or scream, and don’t make direct eye contact or show your teeth to the dog (keep it in your line of sight, but don’t look directly into its eyes) and turn 90 degrees if you can, to communicate that you are not a threat and do not want a fight. If it keeps coming towards you, firmly shout SIT or STOP (it may know these commands and obey them). While doing this, try and slip off a shoe if you can (you might need it later!)

If none of this works and the dog then attacks you, do not run or the dog will chase and likely knock you over - they will always be faster than you. You MUST protect your face, neck and abdomen. Put your knee up towards the dog if it lunges at you, as your knee will hit the dog in the chest and knock it away from you (I’ve done this - it works) and continue to fight as hard as you can with whatever you have to hand. If you can offer the shoe you removed earlier as a decoy to bite, do that. If you have a handbag/backpack, use that. Keep your fists closed as a dog can easily bite off your fingers, and use your fists and your feet. Dogs are particularly vulnerable around their chests and ribs - aim for those areas.

If the dog has hold of part of your body, it is unlikely to let go, so avoid trying to yank that body part back or the injury will be far worse. The dog might bite your arms or legs but those bites are less likely to kill you than a bite to the neck. Make yourself look and sound as scary as possible, you don’t need to stay quiet at this point as you are already fighting, so roar like a bigger, scarier animal.

If the dog knocks you to the ground, you are far more vulnerable and it’s no longer a fight as the dog has the upper hand; your focus must be to stay alive. Brace your arms over your head and curl up in the foetal position, protecting your neck and abdomen. Ignore the dog and try to make as little noise as possible - the dog will likely become bored as the ‘hunt’ is over and you are ‘dead’.

Dog on dog attack: if a dog attacks your dog, let your dog off its lead as they’ve a better chance if they can run away. Do NOT attempt to pick your dog up as you could be hurt. If a dog bites your dog, do NOT attempt to pull your dog away or more damage will be done as the aggressor is unlikely to let go. If the aggressor is wearing a flat collar, grab the collar and twist your hands, this will cut off the dog’s air supply and force it to open its mouth to take a breath, letting your dog go. The dog then won’t be able to reach you to bite you as you will be behind it and in control of it.

I know saying ‘stay calm’ sounds crazy and calm is the last thing you would think of being in that moment, but it will give you a much better chance of getting out alive.

If you made it to the end of that - congrats!

ActDottie · 17/09/2023 16:00

YABU to stop walking your dogs with your daughter.

Given it’s a local incident I imagine it’ll be fresh in your mind. I remember when there were dog thefts around where I lived and I was paranoid about walking our dogs in case they were stolen. But over time I realised that I needed to stop worrying and focus on my dogs having good walks.

If you are that worried can you take a spray bottle out or anything that may deter dogs from attacking? Just something that’ll give you your confidence to walk again with them.

MaryJanesonabreak · 17/09/2023 16:02

I was advised by a police woman to carry a can of wasp spray if I was afraid of being attacked (by man or dog) as wasp spray has a very long jet. Much better than pepper spray (illegal here ) because it will affect you nearly as much as your attacker.

Johnnylewis · 17/09/2023 16:05

PosterBoy · 17/09/2023 14:58

This sounds like it could be a symptom of postnatal anxiety
Post natal anxiety is really common and also treatable. If it becomes overwhelming I would speak to your GP or Health Visitor. CBT can be really helpful.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/postpartum-anxiety-an-invisible-disorder-that-can-affect-new-mothers-202107302558

What?! I don't like dogs and with everything in the news at the moment, am worrying more about encountering something like an xl bully.

My baby is 12 years old, do I have postnatal anxiety?!

CarolDunne · 17/09/2023 16:15

My large dog was attacked once when she on a lead

It was a jack Russell. Latched on to her. I gave it a swift kick

Poor dog is terrified of little dogs now. She tries to run the other way if she sees one

PosterBoy · 17/09/2023 16:18

Johnnylewis · 17/09/2023 16:05

What?! I don't like dogs and with everything in the news at the moment, am worrying more about encountering something like an xl bully.

My baby is 12 years old, do I have postnatal anxiety?!

Well, as you are not the op with

an under 12 month old baby,

experiencing sleepless nights and

considering changing your routine due to intrusive thoughts about harm coming to your baby,

probably you are not one of the 1 in 5 who has postnatal anxiety, no.

If you find you worry about things like this a lot though, you may well have some kind of anxiety that could benefit from CBT or something else. A lot of posters on mumsnet do tend towards the anxious. Perhaps online forums are, for things like health anxiety, used for soothing then re-triggering. Ask your GP if you find these intrusive thoughts continue.

Abbimae · 17/09/2023 16:22

Why can’t dog owners keep their dogs on the lead? All these comments about what someone should do if a dog comes over to them- perhaps some of us don’t want your dog jumping at us. How would you feel if a person ran over covered in mud started licking you?

Johnnylewis · 17/09/2023 16:26

PosterBoy · 17/09/2023 16:18

Well, as you are not the op with

an under 12 month old baby,

experiencing sleepless nights and

considering changing your routine due to intrusive thoughts about harm coming to your baby,

probably you are not one of the 1 in 5 who has postnatal anxiety, no.

If you find you worry about things like this a lot though, you may well have some kind of anxiety that could benefit from CBT or something else. A lot of posters on mumsnet do tend towards the anxious. Perhaps online forums are, for things like health anxiety, used for soothing then re-triggering. Ask your GP if you find these intrusive thoughts continue.

You are so patronising 😂

MysteryBelle · 17/09/2023 16:26

NameAU1 · 17/09/2023 15:24

Perhaps a little perspective will help you.
Since you have a young baby, do you have a partner? Is it a male?
If yes, and you are brave enought to do that, to live with a male (who is statistically) most dangerous thing you can have in your and your daughters life, then maybe don’t worry about some dogs so much.
Seriously, the most likely thing to hurt you or your baby, or your dogs actually too, is (again, I’m assuming you have one) male partner.

We have a live one here folks.

CaptainMyCaptain · 17/09/2023 16:28

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 17/09/2023 14:53

Unfortunately life can never be risk free. However you are far more likely to be injured by a car than seriously attacked by a dog. Horrible though the recent stories are it's important to keep these things in perspective.

True. I am more scared of reckless drivers than dogs.

WetBandits · 17/09/2023 16:29

Abbimae · 17/09/2023 16:22

Why can’t dog owners keep their dogs on the lead? All these comments about what someone should do if a dog comes over to them- perhaps some of us don’t want your dog jumping at us. How would you feel if a person ran over covered in mud started licking you?

What? The comments are about how to defend yourself from a dog attack (which is what OP asked), not what to do if an off-lead dog wanders over and licks you.

This isn’t a lead vs off lead debate Confused

MysteryBelle · 17/09/2023 16:30

Op, having your own two large dogs with you while you walk with dd could make you feel safer, I would think. You could carry some bear spray which is stronger than regular pepper spray. A walking stick that could be used defensively would probably be too unwieldy to carry. Pits and xl bully vicious dogs should be banned. We shouldn’t have to be afraid to take walks.

WiddlinDiddlin · 17/09/2023 16:45

Mm..

Two dogs = no hands free.

Child strapped to you means if a dog jumps up at you, you've got to let go of your dogs to protect your child.

One dog at a time is definitely safer, gives you a hand free. You could carry a thumb stick/walking cane (hiking type not old lady type!) which gives you a device that can create distance (poke, prod, block)...

A can of compressed air can put off some dogs - ensure your dogs are not scared of it!

A big popup umbrella can also be used to pop up and startle off approaching dogs.

Be aware, any of the things that might startle and ward off could also provoke, so really think carefully about these options.

I would probably also try to walk the dogs when someone else can mind the baby.

Ensure your dogs are well trained on and off lead - so you can let go the lead, send them away, send them behind you etc.

Otherwise, remain calm, move slowly, don't stare - try to ask owners NICELY to put dogs back on lead (no matter how scared or pissed off you feel, an angry or scared tone will make matters worse) - tell them YOUR dog is contagious, if you're saying 'put your dog back on a lead for their own welfare' this message is recieved much better than 'put your dog back on a lead I don't trust you or it'...

Unfortunately there are no guaranteed ways to avoid a problem.

PuddlesPityParty · 17/09/2023 16:49

MartinChuzzlewit · 17/09/2023 15:00

Well it does because I’m sure there’s plenty of people who want to avoid her large dogs.

And I would like to avoid dickheads, careless drivers, cats, etc. you can’t just say someone’s part of a problem because you don’t like something. If her dogs are on the lead and trained then what’s the issue? Oh yeah - there isn’t one!

You’re part of at least one of my problems.

DewinDwl · 17/09/2023 16:53

NameAU1 · 17/09/2023 15:24

Perhaps a little perspective will help you.
Since you have a young baby, do you have a partner? Is it a male?
If yes, and you are brave enought to do that, to live with a male (who is statistically) most dangerous thing you can have in your and your daughters life, then maybe don’t worry about some dogs so much.
Seriously, the most likely thing to hurt you or your baby, or your dogs actually too, is (again, I’m assuming you have one) male partner.

How patronising. We can assess and prepare for more than one risk, you know?

Flying is the safest way to travel. Should airlines not inform you of what to do in an emergency "because you're more likely to get hurt in a car anyway"?

Checkcurtains · 17/09/2023 16:54

Do you also not want to leave the house in case a vehicle mounts the curb and runs you down? Or in case you're hit by a bolt of lightning? What about sinkholes?

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