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to think it's impossible to feed a family of four for a week for £10

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horseyhorsey17 · 06/09/2023 09:58

On one of the forums where journalists look for case studies recently there was a call from one of the right-wing tabloids for 'savvy' mums who are able to feed a family of four for £10 a week. This got a few people's backs up (including mine) as I see this as normalising poverty - and the only way anyone can feed a family of four for a week is by using food banks. This isn't 'savvy', it's desperate - I have friends who run a food bank and the bank is on its knees and might actually have to close due to the massive pressure of increased demand, so it's immoral to normalise their use.

I also Googled a few of those 'I feed my family for a tenner/£20 a week' type articles and they're all highly disingenous, the portions are tiny (would at a stretch feed two adults and two babies but not two adults and two hungry teens), were really only one meal a day, poor nutrition and didn't include snacks or drinks. TBH I spend more than a tenner a week on food for my pets - as they don't just get the cheapest food out there as I care about their health - and that isn't weird or profligate. It boggles my mind that people think actual humans can be fed healthily for less than that.

Am I wrong? Can it be done without resorting to food banks/begging for food on local forums (something I am also seeing a lot now)? Is it OK to describe this as 'savvy' rather than a sign of the poverty that's now endemic in the fifth richest economy in the world?

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TheGirlFromTomorrow · 08/09/2023 21:58

ConsuelaHammock · 08/09/2023 20:16

Wouldn’t most people just work another job/ take on some extra hours, share childcare with a friend to enable them to work, sell something if they were down to their last tenner for food? Obviously there will be some people who are on the bones of their arse but there is usually something the majority of people could do?
No one is expecting anyone to eat Dickinsian type food. What about personal responsibility? You only have to read the ‘what would you do with 20k ‘ etc threads to realise that a lot of people are completely financially illiterate and would blow the lot on a holiday ( Disney anyone!) and a car. 20k isn’t that much money nowadays and would help people ride out the rough times.

Could the op possibly post a link to the articles which led to the creation of this post?

Not if they're disabled, no. You literally don't ever have enough money for food, essentials, amenities, nothing. You can't invent money out of nowhere.

And the people who aren't disabled? They're on even less money. So they wouldn't have money for anything either. I'm pretty sure they would have thought of just magically making more.

I don't know if you quite appreciate the situation some people are in. They're in the absolute hollows of poverty. The amount people are given to live on is far, far, far, far below the amount anyone needs to afford shelter, food, and heating, let alone anything else.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 08/09/2023 22:35

Some right wingers lauding the starving of children, then. Hmm.

Winnading · 09/09/2023 07:53

ConsuelaHammock · 08/09/2023 21:55

If I was on UC and had a tenner left I’d be looking for some cash in hand work. I’d share childcare with a friend so we could both do some extra work. I wouldn’t care about being ‘caught’. Anyone who would care about a mother working cash in hand to feed their children is despicable. I wouldn’t pay for a tv license either. Even if I did watch tv.
If I was this poor I wouldn’t follow the rules!

When I was that poor, I did childminding, cleaning, pub, potato factory, and some other cash in hand work. I never paid the TV licence.

I'm not sure you get how grinding poverty works. In my area at that time, all single mothers were working cash in hand, jobs like that were scarce, since then they have become even harder to find.
Round where I live now there are 3 cash in hand places, one is a hand car wash, physical and your unlikely to get in there unless you fit the demographic, one is office type work for £5 an hour and a food factory for £6 an hour which is physical and I'm aware there health and safety is very poor, but no one wants to report them as then the very poorest wont have a job at all.

So to gain a mythical tenner , you'd have to do more than an hour in these places, the hand car wash would involve a whole shift, the factory does occasionally offer an extra shift when they are very short staffed, so it's the office where you could put in an extra hour, for 5 quid, so you need 2 hours.

Oh and theres one cleaning job in a mini industrial estate nearby, it's an hour a night, no overtime at all, key job, £50 left in an envelope every Friday. There is major competition for that job because it can be done anytime after 3pm, you can take your children as long as they behave. And its walking distance from 3 schools. If you are desperate for money, you'll be waiting a long time to get that job.

Jellycatspyjamas · 09/09/2023 12:52

If I was down to my last tenner to feed my children I wouldn’t sit and complain. I’d do something about it.

But doing something about it takes time, and knowledge of what you can do about it. There aren’t many cash in hand jobs around that don’t need you to commit to a certain amount of work, which you then need childcare for. It’s not as simple as saying I’m down to my last tenner, I’ll pick up a cleaning job.

People need time, practical support, possibly some kind of training and in the meantime they need to feed themselves and their kids. They also need to balance what they earn against the impact on any benefits they get or they could find themselves even worse off. It’s called the poverty trap for a reason.

Frequency · 09/09/2023 16:13

I love how some posters live in towns/cities where cash hand-in jobs are so abundant you can just walk up to a business and get employed and paid the same day you realise you are down to your last tenner. I wish I lived somewhere where I could just decide where and when I wanted an extra few hours in a random job I just got that day.

PurpleMonkeys · 09/09/2023 16:19

The awful lying and scamming abhorrent arse that is Jack Monroe has made a living out of trying to tell women they can feed their family on a pittance.

It's bullshit.

Her bullshit is so widespread that people actually believe what she says, they must be idiotic.

She relies on shit she already has... this recipe costs just 75p.. providing you have the £3.75 worth of bits from the cupboard she didn't count.
and then costs recipes in such a fashion that it'd be impossible to replicate.. 20p worth of garli.. yeah, you go Lidl and buy 20p worth of garlic... see how they feel when you're ripping a bag open and taking 4 cloves.

Yet middle class virtue signalling morons lap it all up, as they do her nonsense and fictional life story.

It is not possible to feed a family of 3/4/5 on £10 or even £20 a week unless you already have a huge back up of stuff fro the freezer or plenty of dry good ms in the cupboard or plenty of tins you already bought or a way to get free extras. Etc.

AvengedQuince · 09/09/2023 17:13

Frequency · 09/09/2023 16:13

I love how some posters live in towns/cities where cash hand-in jobs are so abundant you can just walk up to a business and get employed and paid the same day you realise you are down to your last tenner. I wish I lived somewhere where I could just decide where and when I wanted an extra few hours in a random job I just got that day.

I did farm work last summer for cash. You have to know where to look, who to ask though.

Frequency · 09/09/2023 17:44

Oh, I know that p/t cash-in-hand jobs exist. My friend owns a corner shop and I occasionally help out covering staff holidays when she asks me. Her shop is on a row of several shops/takeaways and all the shopkeepers know her and by extension me, so I probably could just walk into one of them and pick up the odd shift if I felt the need. Whether or not it would be the same day/within a couple of days would depend on their current staffing levels. They all have a waiting list of teens and young parents wanting to work.

My point was, for 99.99% of people it is not as simple as just walking to your local corner shop and asking for a shift or two and making out as though it is exacerbating the myth that poverty is self-inflicted and all these people need to do is stop being feckless and work harder.

queenofarles · 10/09/2023 09:00

In one of the recipes in the article above , the ingredients for baked bolognaise is 250g minced meat and 100g of cheese gives eight servings
how is it possible to feed a family of 4 let alone eight?
I really hate this approach , people shouldn’t see it as a challenge and try to come up with ideas.
its simply impossible to feed a family healthy nutritious meals on £10 for a week.

Iwasafool · 10/09/2023 10:02

Thatsmorethanhalf · 07/09/2023 15:12

You need to grow your own / have an allotment

Just had a look and my local city the rent for an allotment is almost £100 per year and the waiting list is up to 4 years. So plan ahead for the difficult time so you have the rent ready plus costs for seeds, tools etc and have it up and running in time.

Iwasafool · 10/09/2023 10:19

HairsprayBabe · 07/09/2023 14:24

This is my final go, it meets the energy requirements, has some vegetables, protein and a very small amount of variation, no nappies, cleaning stuff or drinks

Lard x2 £1
Plain flour x 4 £2.78
Self raising flour x 3 £2.07
oats 90p
Carrots 1kg 50p
Onions 1kg 55p
Jam 39p
20 frozen sausages £1.50
White vinegar 29p

Breakfast porridge and jam probably half a teaspoon per person

Lunch a thin soup with carrots and onion, 1 of the sausages thickened with flour
Make one big pot then serve every day for lunch for the week served with bread either soda bread, American style biscuits, mini "loaves" or flatbread if anyone wants the bread recipes I can link them, to make it stretch it is also possible to make noodles from water and flour to add these to the soup.

Dinners
The majority of what is on the plate will be bread, bread should also be in the middle of the table for anyone who is still hungry. With 19 sausages available there is just over 2 and a half sausages for 4 people per day. Gravy is to be made by using any cooking juices from the sausages onion and water thickened with flour. Before making the soup you would need to ensure you have at least 5 carrots and 5 onions left for the rest of the week and divide them evenly between the meals.

Irish soda bread using the self raising flour, vinegar, onion gravy with 2 chopped sausages through it

American style biscuits and gravy with sausages using the cooking juices from the sausages and plain flour to make gravy, defrost the sausages cut them in half and squash them flat before cooking - 1 sausage per adult 1/2 a sausage per child

Hot water crust pastry sausage rolls defrost 3 sausages, de skin split in half and roll into thinner sausages to stretch using the lard to make the pastry with baked onion rings - you could fry them in lard and reuse the lard for another recipe

Meatballs and gravy, make the meatballs from the sausages by defrosting 3 sausages cutting into 4 and rolling into balls served with flatbread

Stew with dumplings slice 2 sausages as thinly as possible before cooking to ensure a good spread of ingredients, serve with soda bread as well as dumplings

Sausages with noodles use 2 sausages sliced thinly, use flour and water to make the noodles before rolling thin, slicing and boiling like fresh pasta, this can either be eaten in a broth with the vegetables and sausage or drained. Serve with bread

Savory suet pudding with the remaining lard and sausages, onion gravy

Bread in any form (and any remaining jam) to be eaten whenever

This is a shocking menu, it has things on it from the work house, the deep American south, we all know where those recipes came from, and food my grandfather used to eat in poverty in Ireland as a child when he didn't have SHOES the fact that a meal plan for 4 in 2023 is being lauded by the media as purely "savvy" is rancid.

This is poverty, abject poverty.

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So lunch for the week for 4 is one sausage and some carrots and onions Does that qualify as soup? Where is the milk coming from for the soda bread?

It can't be done even with a horrible miserable menu.

birdsofafeatherr · 10/09/2023 10:35

It's impossible to feed your family that cheaply, probably at all, but definitely without sacrificing things not only the vital micronutrients, but also your macros. No way 4 people are eating enough protein on that, and living on carbs and sugar is a quick route to diabetes. A population with diabetes, muscle wastage and vitamin deficiencies (scurvy, rickets) is not a healthy workforce now and is a disaster for the future generations as well.

AvengedQuince · 10/09/2023 15:01

queenofarles · 10/09/2023 09:00

In one of the recipes in the article above , the ingredients for baked bolognaise is 250g minced meat and 100g of cheese gives eight servings
how is it possible to feed a family of 4 let alone eight?
I really hate this approach , people shouldn’t see it as a challenge and try to come up with ideas.
its simply impossible to feed a family healthy nutritious meals on £10 for a week.

I assumed she'd be bulking it out with a vegetarian protein like a tin of lentils, but no. Could have at least made it look like more, I grate carrot into mine, they are super cheap. That's just not enough food.

DrCoconut · 10/09/2023 22:22

@Iwasafool that is always my argument when people start on about how they used to grow veg, make their own clothes etc. That those who are struggling just can't be arsed to make an effort like they could. These things are not for those in poverty anymore. They are essentially costly hobbies in the modern world. If you're really (and I mean really) skint you buy cheap food or clothes for less than producing your own would cost.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 10/09/2023 22:42

Growing your own is so expensive, so risky (it’s not guaranteed) and time consuming.
why would you risk your money doing it? It’s a massive gamble.
not to mention the knowledge, skills and equipment to preserve the produce

Iwasafool · 10/09/2023 23:03

DrCoconut · 10/09/2023 22:22

@Iwasafool that is always my argument when people start on about how they used to grow veg, make their own clothes etc. That those who are struggling just can't be arsed to make an effort like they could. These things are not for those in poverty anymore. They are essentially costly hobbies in the modern world. If you're really (and I mean really) skint you buy cheap food or clothes for less than producing your own would cost.

Yes it is hard to compete isn't it. I will make things for GC but truly the yarn costs more than I would pay for something very similar not to mention my time. I tell them is contains the love I put into it so that gives it the extra worth but if I was very short of money that would be a luxury.

HairsprayBabe · 10/09/2023 23:15

@Iwasafool I spent ages down a rabbit hole researching this.

I found a recipe for a sodabread style loaf with just water, oil, self raising flour and white vinegar, I'd swap the oil for melted lard and do my best

Lunch would be padded out with more of the quick breads you can make or noodles and, that's why I stated a thin soup probably more of a broth. The single sausage in the soup is because I have no salt available so it is more of a seasoning than anything else

It's miserable as I stated. But if you had to feed 4 people on £10 this would work.

DyslexicPoster · 10/09/2023 23:57

Adding my cheapest staples to my tesco order and I could not feed 4 people for a week on the cheapest foods. Even if you had 1 slice of toast, the blandest of Dahl and rice for lunch and dinner and tap water. Would this last 4 people a week? I don't belive it's possible. Also imagine getting kids to eat that all week? No garlic. You could buy that on week two as you'd have currey powder left I guess. Fry your onions in water?

I wouldn't like to try it.

to think it's impossible to feed a family of four for a week for £10
to think it's impossible to feed a family of four for a week for £10
Iwasafool · 11/09/2023 11:17

HairsprayBabe · 10/09/2023 23:15

@Iwasafool I spent ages down a rabbit hole researching this.

I found a recipe for a sodabread style loaf with just water, oil, self raising flour and white vinegar, I'd swap the oil for melted lard and do my best

Lunch would be padded out with more of the quick breads you can make or noodles and, that's why I stated a thin soup probably more of a broth. The single sausage in the soup is because I have no salt available so it is more of a seasoning than anything else

It's miserable as I stated. But if you had to feed 4 people on £10 this would work.

My granny will be spinning in her grave. She thought it was radical if you didn't use butter milk in soda bread. I can't imagine soda bread made with water, it might be bread but not soda bread as we know it.

HairsprayBabe · 11/09/2023 11:45

@Iwasafool do agree, it would be a far call from the real deal.

We are fortunate in this country that basic foods like flour are fortified with b vitamins and folic acid or it would be a much worse diet nutritionally.

The other factor is time, how long will making all this "bread" noodles etc. take. how much fuel cost for cooking. Would people even necessarily have the equipment to do any of the cooking.

If someone did have the time they could attempt to make a sourdough starter but if that was all my food for the week I don't think I would want to risk wasting any of it.

DyslexicPoster · 11/09/2023 12:52

I was researching my family history for my mums eulogy this year. People didn't just make do on air and water and growing their own veg. Happy in simpler times gone by. My great gran put her kids into an orphanage and surrendered herself to the workhouse when her husband died. What's romantic about that? Making do meant loosing everything even your children and freedom until you died. I think I'd pray for a quick death if I was her.

Iwasafool · 11/09/2023 14:40

HairsprayBabe · 11/09/2023 11:45

@Iwasafool do agree, it would be a far call from the real deal.

We are fortunate in this country that basic foods like flour are fortified with b vitamins and folic acid or it would be a much worse diet nutritionally.

The other factor is time, how long will making all this "bread" noodles etc. take. how much fuel cost for cooking. Would people even necessarily have the equipment to do any of the cooking.

If someone did have the time they could attempt to make a sourdough starter but if that was all my food for the week I don't think I would want to risk wasting any of it.

The risk of wasting stuff when trying to make something would be a real risk. If you are down to your last £10 it would be very precious and not worth risking.

I hope no one is forced to live like this.

Iwasafool · 11/09/2023 14:43

I'm almost tempted to try this soda bread, just to see if it actually as awful as it sounds. All soda bread is a bit lacking for me as no one makes it like my granny did. Nothing like one of her soda farls, toasted and dripping with butter. I wish I had realised how wonderful she was before we lost her. I think of her so often and not just because of soda farls.

PurpleMonkeys · 11/09/2023 15:10

Iwasafool · 11/09/2023 14:40

The risk of wasting stuff when trying to make something would be a real risk. If you are down to your last £10 it would be very precious and not worth risking.

I hope no one is forced to live like this.

I have bad news for you...

There's millions living like this on a regular basis.

Here's a little known fact.

Unemployment element of Universal credit for an over 25 in this country is about £340 A MONTH.

That has to pay:
Gas
Water
Electric
Council tax
TV license
Internet
Insurance
Travel costs
Phone costs

And

Food

Have a think how much all those cost you and you'll see that having a £10 to last is often a luxury.

(And still "people" want benefits cut in this country... go figure...)

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