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AIBU to encourage my DC to rebel and stand up for themselves

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Crazytrain1 · 04/09/2023 01:27

Sorry it's long. Didn't want to drip feed.

I am at a loss, there is nothing I can physically do to help and the thought of just nodding and not sharing my rage at what this woman is putting my children through is ripping me a part. DS 13 DD 11. CAO in place, every second weekend and a mid week. 50% of holidays they go to DFs house.

It's a long, horrible story but to summarise. Their Dad is a DA. I'm convinced his GF is emotionally abusing and punishing my DC. They have 4 other children together.

Police and SS have been involved numerous times since they were little. Police wanted to charge their DF with assault of DS but there was not enough evidence, he was 9. SS a waste of space and we don't meet threshold. We chug along, we try coparent with them, but anything we suggest is a no. Anything we want to prevent is suddenly something they agree with and won't support our view. He'd argue snow was purple if I suggested it was white. I keep my mouth shut as much as possible because the kids end up getting it and stuck in the middle.

The GF has been getting stranger over the years, it's got worse since the assault, but no physical abuse bar aggressively shampooing ds hair a couple of weeks ago. Dd told us tonight, DS hadn't shared this. She said it looked like she was pulling his hair up forcibly when 'teaching' him to wash his hair properly. Dd said he was visibly shaken and upset but said nothing to the GF. Just disappeared to his room.

She is force feeding them, food they don't like. Every mouth full or else they get into trouble with their dad. So they do it. Food she knows they can't stand she will cook and force them. DS is ASD (though they tell him he isn't), has strong sensory issues with food smells and textures. They force him to eat those foods whilst he is crying. DD is vegetarian. They force her to eat vegi food which has been cooked on or with meat. But anything they hate - she deliberately cooks and watches them eat it.

They don't let them out to see friends unless certain conditions have been met, and then change the goal posts. They dare ask when they can go, because it will extend the quarantine.

They won't let them have their phones, unless under certain conditions but regularly whole weekends and holidays weeks will pass and they're not allowed them. Sometimes they are allowed an hour. They are not allowed to contact their friends and family 'from their mums world' ie their friends from School. We've been told they are too young for phones and they have their family so don't need their friends via email. DS got hurt when out jogging, 2 miles from home, no way of contacting anyone for help. He walked the two miles back with his injury. They took him to a&e 2 hours later, the other dc needed pancakes first. Then DF needed to finish his coffee. He wasn't allowed his phone at hospital or to contact me to tell me he was going.

DD was told she could have one hour on her phone when the other children calmed down. She sat on the sofa and waited. She said around 45 mins later, the other children calmed so she asked for her phone. She was told no, because she was moping. She was forced to go play in heavy rain so she could get 'energised', whilst GF watched from the window, and she had to pretend to be happy before she was allowed it.

I'm not UK born, been here most of my life. My DC though born here, their heritage is that they are half English (DF) and half from my motherland. She tells them no, you are not, you are fully English and she won't hear another word.

She throws away their toys/games, and allows her 4 young DC (not their fault) to trash the ones they are allowed.

I want to tell them both to stand up and make it clear they will not accept living like that anymore. That things need to
Change because what is happening is not right. DD was sobbing, she doesn't want to be controlled anymore. AIBU? What should I be doing if I can't do this?

My heart is breaking for them. We have no where to turn for help or advise. I don't want to speak ill of their dad or his GF but it's getting increasingly hard to bite my tongue (there is so so much more than the above, years and years of his control and emotional/financial/physical abuse towards me despite separating from him) I am not a fan of his to put it bluntly.

This is first time DD has spoken out since the assault on DS. She's stayed quiet since then and only spoken highly of DF and GF. It turns out she's been harbouring years of this behaviour towards her. She doesn't know what to do, and is too scared to say something. If I say something, it will make it 1000% worse for them both in his care.

There is so much more, if you've got this far, thanks for reading

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continentallentil · 04/09/2023 01:35

At 13 and 11 they will have a say in whether they go or not.,

If they want to stop going, then you can put this forward, and reduce contact.,

Crazytrain1 · 04/09/2023 01:37

Really? Isn't the CAO till 16? Can't he pull me through hedges again saying I'm encouraging the kids to do this?

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MooseBeTimeForSnow · 04/09/2023 02:39

If they don’t want to go the only option he would have would be to apply to enforce the order. The children’s wishes and feelings would be taken into account if he did so. At 11 and 13 I think they are old enough to make up their own minds.

MidnightOnceMore · 04/09/2023 02:43

I don't think you should encourage your children to rebel in these circumstances. You are asking them to potentially put themselves in conflict/danger.

I would be encouraging them to accompany you to somewhere like school to report this safely. Can you buy them a cheap second phone so they can report/contact at the time? Don't do this if it could result in more harm.

You need to advocate for them. Take advice from the nspcc if you don't trust SS. Have you got the resources to look at legal advice? This charity gives free legal advice (I have not used them, just heard of them)
https://childlawadvice.org.uk/

curaçao · 04/09/2023 05:01

A lot of rhe things co I ld be put down to different house rules, but washing a 13 year old's hair is extremely odd!

Goldbar · 04/09/2023 06:02

13 and 11 is surely old enough to make up their own minds about contact. Can you apply to vary the CAO?

Hopinghonestly · 04/09/2023 07:18

I would let them not go if they dont want to..

What he going to do? Enforce it in court?
Kids will be asked do you want to go? Uhm No...
Why? I was assaulted

Ok No contact enforced...

SS involved, assault acknowledged just not enough evidence..

People have lost contact over less..

Crazytrain1 · 04/09/2023 07:19

Thanks for the replies.

DS would prefer to go on his terms. He wants to see his siblings, if they weren't there I don't think he'd go at all. DD still wants to go, again on her terms. Their problem is, if they went, he wouldn't let them return home. He lives in a village, no public transport, he'd take their phones. No safe way to walk the 5 miles home.

Not encouraging them to rebel due to putting them in harms way is right. I know this deep down. It angers me so much that they can't stand up for themselves due to being (rightly) frightened.

The comment re: different house rules. It's an interesting perspective, I suppose it's why I'm hesitating. For me, these examples are so alien and against everything I believe in. But then I also appreciate the damage of being force fed by a parent has, I still have an awful relationship with food and have never forgiven the people who did it to me.

I guess I'm scared of court - but I'm going to call that helpline - I have a weird and irrational fear that I will lose the children or this will go the opposite way . He has this way of twisting the children's truth and making it sound like I'm a crazy hell bent mother, trying to alienate their father. This is not true, I don't like the man, but I do want my children to have a good, safe relationship with him. Each court case has ended up with me fighting for 50/50, the judges in our locale are notorious for taking the paternal view - it scares the hell out of me.

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DrasticAction · 04/09/2023 07:42

This sounds so hard op, I don't know the Inn and out of court orders but this doesn't sound right morally at all.

DrasticAction · 04/09/2023 07:43

I'm perhaps irrational but I'm always extremely wary of step parents after all rhe recent cases.

Sirzy · 04/09/2023 07:47

Can you ask them to write down in their own words what they feel like, what has been happenings etc. With no help so it’s 100% them.

you then need to get some proper advice and work to get things changed. I agree with the person who said maybe encouraging them to speak to school would help so it’s on record there.

dont let your children be victims of their abuse. Show them they can be strong and supported to change things

Ivebeentogeorgia · 04/09/2023 07:48

At their ages they can have a say in court. And what on earth is the step mum doing washing a 13 year olds hair?

Daddylonglegs123 · 04/09/2023 08:01

YABVU to use so many acronyms in your post that I didn’t get the gist of it but it sounds an awful situation.

Crazytrain1 · 04/09/2023 08:12

Apologies Daddylonglegs
CAO - child arrangements order
DF - dear father
GF - girlfriend
DS - dear son
Dd - dear daughter
SS - social services

Think that's all of them

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ChaToilLeam · 04/09/2023 08:20

They are old enough to have a say in whether they have contact now. If they refuse, a court is unlikely to take any action.

Do they really want to go or just feel they should because they are afraid to anger their father and his GF? Let them know that they can tell you if they don’t want to go.

Crazytrain1 · 04/09/2023 08:20

Sirzy, that's a very good idea. I'll speak to my husband and figure out the best time, environment etc for them to do something like this. To make is safe and relaxed.

Reading this all back, I'm going to organise some therapeutic care for them. It's a lot, they have seen a lot. They are really amazing kids; kind, loving, do well at school, have good friends around them. I wish with everything that it was different for them. That they experienced two loving homes which celebrate them. Their Dad does love them, he shows it differently to our home. It's just very very sad

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