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AIBU?

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To not want both parents to stay after surgery?

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Givemestrength00 · 01/09/2023 14:37

Name change as this is so specific. I have two very small DC. Have had severe back pain for months and had surgery on my back last week. DP has taken on more and more over the previous months, and looked after two DC all summer holidays. He’s been great, but I wanted my DM there for extra help, post-op. I can’t lift anything for at least the next several weeks while I recover.

For background, my DPs live on the other side of the world. I had a conversation with them a few weeks ago about helping me post-op. DF said tell us what works for you. I told them that I wanted DM to come over to help me and that she could stay with me. I said if it’s two of you coming over, I’d want you to stay somewhere nearby so that we’re not on top of each other. I said it’s too many people for us all to stay in my house. DF said well, that doesn’t work for me, I’m planning on coming over for 2 months. It was left there.

For background, I live in a 3 bed house, with a just habitable loft room. It’s two doubles and a box room. Box room is home office. One double has both kids, the other is mine & DPs room. Only bathroom is on first floor. Two living rooms downstairs but they’re all opened out, so no separate living space. No separate loo or guest bathroom.

DM is mid-60s and fit as a fiddle. Extremely helpful with kids and with me. Mucks in and does whatever needs to be done. Can be a bit overbearing at times as she has so much energy and firm ideas.

DF is early 70s, in reasonably good health. BUT when he’s here, he tends to park himself somewhere and hold court. He will do a specific task if asked, but pretty oblivious of others, particularly small children and babies. The kids get ignored a bit. E.g. there are multiple times I’ll have a 3 year old and a 70 year old talking at me at the same time, neither noticing or stopping. He basically likes to come here and stay for a bit of a jolly. Not much help with house or kids and gives no notice of comings or goings.

DM came over as agreed. Staying in loft room on single guest bed. A couple of days after she arrives, she says oh DF is coming over on x date. He’s going to stay in a hotel. No clarity on dates, no follow up chat before or after he’s booked about where he’s staying, or how long for. I think okay fine, if he’s staying in a hotel, then he can does as he pleases.

Having them both around the other day, all day, was just too much for me. I didn’t get a moment’s peace all day. DF would talk at me whenever I went downstairs. I realised I was pushing myself too much and felt rotten. That night I could barely sleep, because I felt so anxious about how I could explain to them that it was too much for me without one or both of them throwing a massive strop and saying their feelings are hurt. They have form for this. The next day I told them I’m going to rest and have some time to myself and said let’s do something in the afternoon.

It all came to a head that day. DF calls me from a furniture shop, saying “Your mother wants a double bed”, I send something that would work in the room, he says “your mother doesn’t like that one, your mother wants this or that.” Then: “your mother thinks it’s fine for us both to stay up in the loft”. I said you asked me what I wanted, and I told you if it’s just mum that’s fine, if it’s both of you, you can stay nearby as it’s too many people for the house.” DF then says the place he’s staying has no space for the following night and can I decide because it’s going to cost them a lot of money. I said I need time to think about it overnight and talk to DP. DP has been here, the whole time, looking after the kids, making meals, doing the shopping, doing all the night wakes, everything. He finds my parents overbearing and would rather have done without the help but knew my preference, so went along with it.

DF starts up again later the same day, in person, when DM and DP are out of the room. I said I feel backed into a corner here. I told you it was only okay for one to stay, not two. I told him again that it was overwhelming, I’m having up days and down days and it’s too much with so many people around. He said I don’t see the difference between one or both of us staying. Says he barely uses the bathroom, he’s here to help, won’t get in the way, doesn’t expect meals to be prepared for him etc. he said he’s hurt I don’t want him to stay, and now it’s going to cost him a lot of money. I made my DM sit down and join the conversation because I could hear her loitering. I asked them both why they’d both decided to come over without saying anything to me and decided to only book 3 nights in the hotel, knowing full well what I thought. DM then says they’re a “package deal”. I said that they should have been upfront. I said this is the one time I should be able to just focus on my recovery and not go along with something that I have made clear is not okay with me. Even then, they’re still pressing me to say that it’s okay for them to both stay. They want to stay for 2 months (!)

I also asked them, don’t you think it’s too much, all those people and one bathroom, a toddler who’s potty trained but very much needs the loo when they need it? I asked my dad how he would feel if say, I asked to come and stay for weeks on end just after he’d had an operation? It was left with me saying, please find somewhere to stay for the next few days and I’ll see how tiring I’m finding it and decide what’s okay with me.

I’m finding it so difficult, upsetting and draining. I hate being bulldozed like this. I think if this were a friend of mine, I’d probably say don’t let them make their problem, your problem. But it’s easier said than done when it’s your own parents.

So AIBU for not wanting them to both stay in my house while I’m recovering and getting back into work?

Or are they being U because they asked me what I wanted, then did the opposite of that anyway?

Have I been precious for wanting just my mum’s help? How can I address the elephant in the room aka my dad’s completely oblivious behaviour?

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user1471517900 · 01/09/2023 14:42

So your mum and dad are still a couple? I'd say this is a bit weird to say you want your mum to stay but not your mum and dad

Ghostlyfeet · 01/09/2023 14:45

I think you're being unreasonable. They live on the other side of the world and you want only one to come?!

SoundsLikeAYouProblem · 01/09/2023 14:47

They are a package deal. Very strange, and hurtful, to say one can stay and one can’t. Imagine if they did that to you.

Maltaw · 01/09/2023 14:57

Tricky. I think they were very unreasonable not to have told you their plans and to have dropped this on you like they did.

I don't think you were unreasonable to have asked if it was ok if just your Mum could come and help as long as you were very clear and gave her the option to turn you down.

Maybe you can have them for a few days and check out some local air b and b's.

Givemestrength00 · 01/09/2023 14:59

They are a couple, however they have only ever travelled over separately for the past 10 years. So it’s not unusual at all. In fact it’s the norm.

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TomatoSandwiches · 01/09/2023 15:02

YANBU, your father asked you what suits you and then in the next breath shat all over it because it doesn't suit him.
This isn't about him, it's about you so why did he even ask what you want?

He can come over but he needs to stay out of the way and in a hotel imo, he sounds bloody selfish and entitled.

I'd be tempted to just tell them both to leave, they're not being helpful at all and that was the purpose of their visit.

itsahotmess · 01/09/2023 15:08

Package deal?! At the expense of your wishes. While you're ill?!

Who in gods name pitches up from other side of the world with no accommodation arranged and expects someone to put them up for eight weeks?!

Mind boggling!

Your DM is as bad as your DF in this. If she didn't want to help you alone she should have said so at the time. Your DF is being completely thoughtless.

They've both put you in a very awkward position.

user1471505494 · 01/09/2023 15:08

If they paid their own airfare and other expenses you are being beyond unreasonable

Sirzy · 01/09/2023 15:13

Well if what they are offering doesn’t work for you then just tell them you will sort things a different way. Thank them for trying to help then ask them both to either go home or to a hotel together.

Glitterbaby17 · 01/09/2023 15:13

Oh I feel for you! I’ve just had back surgery and also have 2 young kids and there’s no way I would want my in laws staying for months. My Mum is coming for a bit and I know even that will be tiring in it’s own way as she doesn’t stop talking. Do your best to take care of you (and if you want a surgery pal / to share coping strategies feel free to send me a DM).

Bleepbloopbluurp · 01/09/2023 15:24

What they have done is really unreasonable- they should have been as clear as you were and they could have said no if DM didn't want to help on your terms.

You aren't unreasonable to only want your mum to stay, but I can see that might hurt your dad's feelings or put your mum in a difficult position. They are married and your mum may feel she has to be on your dad's side.

As for what to do now, if you don't let them stay they may strop off and you still need help. Can you pay for a temp nanny / housekeeper? Or if the money is the problem can you pay for an airbnb for them so they can be comfortable and your mum can help? Or let them stay but agree a shorter period?

aloris · 01/09/2023 15:29

I think asking your mum to leave your dad behind for 2 months is a bit much. If your dad is the type to park himself on the couch all day, he's probably not up to cooking for himself and doing his own housework for 2 months. (He could also be lazy and entitled but lots of people in their 70s are also just physically not fit enough to do all of that on their own; in other words, your mum may be, basically, his carer).

At the same time, your own needs sound totally reasonable and your dad is being selfish by not listening to your needs. He's just using the visit as a way to have a nice holiday in your house. I bet that, subconsciously, he sees you as being around to serve him and make his holiday nice. You've told him that his behavior is making your recovery more difficult, instead of less so, and he's just not listening. It sounds like he's all about himself.

I think basically you aren't going to get what you need from them. So you have to decide what do you actually need to get better. Maybe your mum could stay (alone) a week or two instead of 2 months, just to be there for the hardest part when you are least functional. That would be a reasonable "ask" from you. Do you have some friends who can set up a meal train for you, for after your mum goes back home? Can you hire in a housekeeper for a couple hours a day (maybe on taskrabbit or something like that) so your husband isn't run ragged doing everything on his own?

I think the big picture here is that you are not in a position to have help from your parents. It shouldn't be that way, but it is, because your dad doesn't get it. Lots of people have to manage without any help from parents. It's nice to have the help but if you don't have the help, you just have to manage. So now you know that for the future. The problem is that right now, for your present situation, your parents are in your house, inhibiting your recovery. So what you need to do is figure out how to get them out, even if it means asking them to go back home or pretending you don't need them here. And then, how to get by without any family help.

diddl · 01/09/2023 15:49

I think when your dad said he was wanting to be over for 2 months (& therefore wouldn't want to pay for accommodation?) you should have told them both not to bother.

I don't think it's unreasonable for your mum to now want your dad to stay.

If that's not what you want though you might have to turf them both out!

Who needs who more?

TheYadaYada · 01/09/2023 15:55

You’re being massively unreasonable.

HarpieDuJour · 01/09/2023 16:14

If their visit was really about helping you, then they would be listening to what is helpful to you. If they wouldn't be apart for that long (and that seems to be the length they have decided, not what you asked for) then they should have said so and not come at all.

As it is, they have tried to put you in a position where you feel obliged to give in to what they want. If you let them get away with it, you will be stressed, your DP will have reached boiling point and your whole household will be disrupted. The added stress won't help your recovery at all.

Since your partner seems to be okay with managing all the help himself, I think that asking them to go home is the best way forward. Of course there will be consequences for your relationship with your parents, but I think that's going to happen anyway.

FlamingMadKatie · 01/09/2023 16:51

Not sure if some posters have fully read and understood your post. In a house that size, and in full fitness with no back problems, two months would still be WAY too long. They may well be a couple but you explained clearly when your mum agreed to this. Honestly, if I were in your situation I'd suggest as kindly as possible that it would be better for your recovery (and sanity) if they left you to it. Your DP sounds great, and you're both better off without them.

Cherrysoup · 01/09/2023 16:59

Send then Airbnbs and tell them that’s the deal, no arguments. They knew this was the deal before they came.

HollaHolla · 01/09/2023 17:13

Fuck me. No.
I've also had a number of spinal surgeries, and after the second, I could have sprung up from bed, and done things, within days (in fact, I did - back at work in 3.5 weeks, driving after 1 week, medium long haul flight at 5 weeks.)

After the 3rd & 4th surgeries - I stayed with my parents, as I live alone. I was there just over 3 months in the end. I had also developed post-op sepsis, and was utterly drained. Couldn't sit for more than 20 mins. Had to get my Mum to help me shower, wash hair, and dress.

There was no way I could have dealt with a house of people like you have. In my situation, we agreed that I would be left alone, unless I needed someone. I had three meals a day made/delivered to me, in bed, if need be. I had someone to drive me to appointments, do laundry, make tea for visitors, etc.
That's what you need - not all of the stress of visitors, who are making work for you. I think it's time to be very, very clear with them. Get your husband to put up a united front with you too. On a practical level, could they find an Air B&B nearby as a longer term rental, at a cheaper price than a hotel? If not, time to look at other options... like a flight home.

Daftasabroom · 01/09/2023 17:26

Hi @Givemestrength00 is there any chance they can get a small Airbnb reasonably locally? Cheaper than a hotel, holiday season is pretty much done, and self catering will keep them out of your hair for.

Good luck with the back BTW I had a decompression and fusion, not pleasant but worth it in the long run.

TWmover · 01/09/2023 17:31

YANBU, I wonder if some people responding here have experience of family house guests for months, it can be frustrating and imposing at the best of times. Your parents have been unfair making plans against your original request and if your mum wasn't prepared to come alone to support you then she should have said so. Only you know the full dynamics in these relationships, previous similar situations and therefore where the issues ultimately lie. You need to hold your boundaries though as stress and anxiety won't help your recovery. It's fine not to be guilt tripped into agreeing for them both staying for 2 months. They ABU.

Comedycook · 01/09/2023 17:33

You sound like a total brat who wants everything her own way

MillWood85 · 01/09/2023 17:39

I'm assuming you're in a lot of pain OP and that's really at the heart of this, because it doesn't sound very nice that they've both travelled so far and yet you're making them both feel very unwelcome.

Is this really worth a huge family fall out over? Let them crack on with the kids and stay in your room as much as you can.

Sirzy · 01/09/2023 17:40

DF said well, that doesn’t work for me, I’m planning on coming over for 2 months. It was left there

this is why there are issues. It sounds like no plans where properly made for how the two months would work so it’s no wonder it has ended with crossed wires! Irrespective of rights and wrongs communication has obviously failed

BoohooWoohoo · 01/09/2023 17:59

I said it’s too many people for us all to stay in my house. DF said well, that doesn’t work for me, I’m planning on coming over for 2 months. It was left there.

The problem started here. He clearly intended to come and when it was left there, it sounded like that was acceptable.

Since your h is doing a great job, I would send the pair of them back and take note that they don't respect your boundaries and wishes. It sounds like you are a little blinkered when it comes to your mum - she clearly knew your father's intentions and thinks nothing of pressuring someone who is recovering from an operation which is shit.

You mention that they frequently travel separately - do they travel away for 2 months ? Yanbu to want help from your mother but is the price of her "help" worth it ? Feeling overwhelmed and pressured isn't going to aid your recovery.

Givemestrength00 · 02/09/2023 21:43

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone. Really appreciate the validation and pragmatic, supportive suggestions that people had. Lots of insight and angles I hadn’t considered. Agree that some mustn’t have read the fine print!

My OP was super wordy but in short yes I did ask my mum to come for a couple of weeks, for the most delicate part. She offered before I even asked, because she’s had the same surgery and had my sister stay for a few weeks to look after her. I would never expect her to up sticks for a couple of months. Dad wanted to come for two months because he wants a holiday, he’s just retired.

I also understand why she’d want my dad here, I just wish she’d made it clear from the outset so then I could have made a plan with DH on how to get by without their help. The suggestion that he wouldn’t want to do all the housework without her was probably quite spot on! A couple of people pointed out that I seem a bit blinkered when it comes to my mum, which is probably fair. She was the safer, kinder one when I was growing up, whereas dad could be a bit volatile. So no wonder I have mixed feelings!

I can know also see in hindsight what people mean about where the miscommunication stemmed from. It just honestly didn’t occur to me that they’d think it was reasonable to stay for 2 months, thought I’d made myself clear.

I think if you’ve never had people stay for a really long time, who don’t pick up on cues, or if you’ve never faced difficulty with a pushy parent, it can seem harsh or mean to stay you don’t want to put your family up. But if you know, you know. 😉

I’m still deciding what to do, because to go by past reactions, they will absolutely blow up if I hold my no. I worry about damaging the relationship beyond repair in the twilight years.

I’ve looked at Airbnb’s again and pressed them for what their travel plans are while they’re here to see how broken up the 2 months would be with little trips to other places, but they have nothing concrete.

And to the person who called me a brat, an unexpected thank you, because it gave me a chuckle!

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