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Being evicted.

64 replies

Rumpmum21 · 01/09/2023 04:36

Long post but not trying to DF.

So, it's messy, but.....

My husband rented our house, before we got together, from a friend of his mums. More than 10 years later, married, 2 kids and a LOT of issues, we have been served an eviction notice.

What led to it and my reason for asking who-IBU is that her and I have never really understood each other or connected and she has not kept up to date with the legalities of renting property.

The first problem we really had was the completely open stairs (no banister etc). We had no problem until I fell pregnant and it became a major hazard. She took 3 years to have a banister installed, in which time we had approached her numerous times and offered up different solutions to get it done. Eventually we bought timber and plasterboard to put up ourselves (no cost to her and minimal damage to the property that would have been easily repaired and we would have done upon leaving if needed) but that wasn't good enough so she refused to let us install it and the supplies have sat behind our sofa since.

We have asked for but never had, new flooring and so did it ourselves, along with decorating and repairs as much as possible. We can't touch anything gas but even plumbing issues have, for the most part, been sorted by my husbands plumber brother at no cost to the landlady.

Our bathroom needed replacing due to age, leaks and black mould. I offered to go halves or simply source everything needed and have fitted by BIL (again at no cost to her). AGAIN, she would not allow this. She wouldn't even take seriously the thick black mould growing under the window (boxed in but broken) despite us now having a 3 year old and a newborn (it was first reported to her before I fell pregnant with our first son)

The last straw, for me, was the boiler breaking (for the 100th time!). At the same tim, a very large mushroom was growing by the toilet from the black mould and she had decided that she could no longer manage the property (as well as the others she lets) and had handed over to a letting agent (fair enough). However, the agency wanted us to sign a new contract with terms I wasn't happy with (and some I'm still not certain are even legal - New tenants MUST sign up with XXX company for their gas and electricity supplies upon moving in. It didn't apply to us but still dodgy, imo.) They had changed some of the terms as requested by the landlady and then one as requested by us but refused to change anything else because "that's a standard agreement and we can't change it." (despite already doing so.)

So while TRYING to negotiate the new tenancy, we are trying to sort out who is going to arrange getting the boiler replaced as we have now been without hot water or heating for 3-4 weeks and its WINTER!! The agents won't because we haven't signed yet and the landlady won't because "you need to speak with the agency". So another week or so I call the council, they send Environmental Health out and they (EH) sends a report to the landlady and the estate agents. EH also informs me that, although they can't be quoted legally, we don't even need to sign a new contract for them to manage because ours existing one still stands and they only need to have one with the landlady. I get back to the agents and tell them this and we will sign but not until the changes are made (which are that we can be forced to rehome our dog and 2 cats should it be requested and our SORN car must be made road legal etc (which is an expense we can't afford and we can't simply sell it as it was a gift of sorts) so it's not like I'm asking them to let me move another family in or use it as a brothel! But they won't budge now. Another week and they email me stating that they have a boiler "ready to go" but we can't have it unless we sign. I reply, with evidence that this is completely illegal, he backtracks and "it" hits the fan.

Finally, after 9 weeks of being with no boiler and having the council and others get involved on our behalf, the boiler gets installed. The agency refuses to now manage our property and the landlady instructs a company to fix other issues raised by EH like replacing the bathroom including the entire floor as it had been wrecked from the leaks and mould.

We have not sought compensation, we have no rent arrears and have not asked for anything from her since. She them convinces the SAME people to take on the property management again. I am contacted but because of the complete pile of shizz that they speak and are, I simply tell them I am seeking advice & representation and will get back to them asap. The landlady then texts me informing me that they are going to manage it so (basically) do as they say or she will have us evicted.

We have now been served our notice.

(Just to note, our rent is VERY good but there was no deposit so won't be owed anything)

So.... in your opions WHO is being the A?

OP posts:
LIZS · 01/09/2023 11:51

Might be worth a call to Shelter but realistically this property has not met your changing needs for a while and you would be better moving on. Has the notice(is it actually eviction or just notice?) been issued legally? What do you hope for as a resolution?

Ap24 · 01/09/2023 12:05

Did you or your DP pay a deposit? Are you paying market rates or was it mates rates due to the family connection?

The mould seems like a massive issue but honestly I don't know what landlords can do. Plenty of UK houses have issues with mould, our current house is a nightmare. The only thing we've found to work is a decent dehumidifier.

HaddawayAndShite · 01/09/2023 12:09

If you hate living there so much and this

DH is too anxious a person to properly support me to even try to overcome some of the obstacles.

is half the reason you haven’t moved in 10 years, everyone is coming across poorly tbh.

Obviously your landlord is terrible and likely in breech if lots of regs and legal stuff, but 10 years in this place, knowing she won’t change stuff is sheer stupidity. After a year or 2 you KNOW she won’t change and suddenly turn into a decent landlord.

But it seems like you’ve sat back and not wanted to rock the boat just as much as your husband. You’ve allowed your children to be raised in a unsafe, unhealthy house because your husband has anxiety? Why couldn’t you say “It’s unsafe for the children to live here we’re moving with or without you?” Or was cheap rent and not wanting to upset your husband more important?

SBHon · 01/09/2023 12:20

HaddawayAndShite · 01/09/2023 12:09

If you hate living there so much and this

DH is too anxious a person to properly support me to even try to overcome some of the obstacles.

is half the reason you haven’t moved in 10 years, everyone is coming across poorly tbh.

Obviously your landlord is terrible and likely in breech if lots of regs and legal stuff, but 10 years in this place, knowing she won’t change stuff is sheer stupidity. After a year or 2 you KNOW she won’t change and suddenly turn into a decent landlord.

But it seems like you’ve sat back and not wanted to rock the boat just as much as your husband. You’ve allowed your children to be raised in a unsafe, unhealthy house because your husband has anxiety? Why couldn’t you say “It’s unsafe for the children to live here we’re moving with or without you?” Or was cheap rent and not wanting to upset your husband more important?

I agree. Everyone’s coming out of this badly to be honest, no one looks good here.

Stop wasting your time arguing with a landlord who’s not going to change and put your energies into finding a better home.

RoseBucket · 01/09/2023 12:31

So the boiler has been fixed replaced (it was last winter) the bannister has been installed? So they are historical.

The issue now is a new bathroom is required, is that correct? Does it have more than one bathroom for you to use.

The rent is low, so she will probably need to put it up to market rent to be able to afford the repairs/replacement but in any case it sounds hard work but she needs to follow the eviction rules.

Oysterbabe · 01/09/2023 12:41

Those talking about gas safety certificates etc are missing that the tenancy started 10 years ago and that is only a requirement where the tenancy started after 1st October 2015. This is a pre-Deregulation Act Tenancy and it is easier to evict someone in this situation.
But you want to leave, so what it is you're actually asking?

AdoraBell · 01/09/2023 12:46

Landlord/Landlady is unreasonable. Can you afford to rent somewhere else? I would definitely want to move out and cancel the tenancy agreement.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 01/09/2023 13:27

HaddawayAndShite · 01/09/2023 12:09

If you hate living there so much and this

DH is too anxious a person to properly support me to even try to overcome some of the obstacles.

is half the reason you haven’t moved in 10 years, everyone is coming across poorly tbh.

Obviously your landlord is terrible and likely in breech if lots of regs and legal stuff, but 10 years in this place, knowing she won’t change stuff is sheer stupidity. After a year or 2 you KNOW she won’t change and suddenly turn into a decent landlord.

But it seems like you’ve sat back and not wanted to rock the boat just as much as your husband. You’ve allowed your children to be raised in a unsafe, unhealthy house because your husband has anxiety? Why couldn’t you say “It’s unsafe for the children to live here we’re moving with or without you?” Or was cheap rent and not wanting to upset your husband more important?

Agree.

@Rumpmum21 you have agency here and have had for 10(!) years. Move on and move out. Use your mental energy to find a home that you actually like and will be happy in.

Comefromaway · 01/09/2023 13:31

Janieforever · 01/09/2023 08:33

Ultimately she’s served notice so you need to go. It doesn’t matter she’s been unreasonable or an armhole. You’ve not entitlement to stay there past the contractual obligations.

IF the poster is in the UK that is not the case.

However it appears they may not be in the UK

Babyroobs · 01/09/2023 13:38

Pinkpots · 01/09/2023 10:08

What I don’t understand is if you haven’t been happy in the property ( and it sounds like you have good reason) for 10 years why didn’t you look arround for somewhere else and give notice yourself once you found somewhere. Why wait til you were asked to leave, it must have benefited you in some way, was it a cheap rent? Judging by the rental market at the moment it seems like the worst possible time for you to be trying to find a new rental property and likely to be substantially more expensive.

This.

Alicetheowl · 01/09/2023 14:07

She doesn't sound the best LL but I think you were quite lucky to get the banisters installed. Open plan staircases are often an attractive design feature and you don't rent a house with them if you have children. It's like renting a house with a lovely pond or water feature-you can't just ask for it to be filled in or removed because you then have children. So she was being generous by doing that. Maybe she's fallen on hard times or needs to sell? It's her house and she is entitled to charge market rent or sell.

LaurieFairyCake · 01/09/2023 14:15

Wait to be evicted and then get housed by the council Flowers

After you've been in the area so long at some point you will get housed

Flopsythebunny · 01/09/2023 21:06

Alicetheowl · 01/09/2023 14:07

She doesn't sound the best LL but I think you were quite lucky to get the banisters installed. Open plan staircases are often an attractive design feature and you don't rent a house with them if you have children. It's like renting a house with a lovely pond or water feature-you can't just ask for it to be filled in or removed because you then have children. So she was being generous by doing that. Maybe she's fallen on hard times or needs to sell? It's her house and she is entitled to charge market rent or sell.

They also don't conform to building regulations

CaroleSinger · 01/09/2023 21:15

So what is it you actually want? You don't seem to have an end goal here? Compensation? What? You say you don't want to stay, well she's given notice so you don't have to stay. What's your aim?

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