NHS money should be capped

[melon234]

Sorry but did I just read that the nhs chief associated with Lucy Letby has retired with a 1.8million pension pot?! I won't post a link but check out daily fail and others.

Why is anyone "behind the scenes" in the NHS getting that kind of money?

Why are these chiefs getting paid ridiculous money, huge pensions etc.

If you want to earn big, go into banking or finance..the nhs is not the place for you.

My relative is a junior doctor and forced to spend 100s of £ a month on a bloody parking permit. It's disgusting.

As a publicly funded service we should have a say where the money goes. AIBU?

The pension pot amount for final salary pensions is not accurate often, it's purely related to how long you live, quite different to defined contribution pensions. My exh's is valued at £1.4m for divorcing purposes but is not really that big in retirement at 50% of career average salary (circa £30k a year is what he'll receive and I'll get 20% each month

I hear this man was also on over £150k. Too much for a behind the scenes job.

I wonder if he needs to pay for a parking permit too?

YANBU.

I wouldn’t call a CEO of an NHS trust a ‘behind the scenes job’.

Parking fees should be scrapped with the money saved . Sorry to derail slightly.

I'd be interested to know how many of these managers there were in this trust. How much was their payment combined.

I mean whether they actually did a decent job is obviously up for debate too.

In my job, if I do a bad job or make a mistake, there is potential for me to be fired

The thing is, being the CEO of an NHS trust is a massive massive job and not one that you can walk off the street and do. It’s a job that commands that type of salary.

who is doing it for £50k? I hazard a guess at no one.

Money saved from what? That is a very simplistic idea. Sack all the ‘behind the scenes’ staff and give the people left behind free parking. I’m not sure that would work in the long run.

I wouldn’t do it for less than 200k. It’s a big big job. Usually thousands of staff to be responsible for, hundreds of millions of pounds budgets, strategy, huge estate to oversee, constantly under pressure from the govt. I’ll stick with my £50k job that is pretty low stress.

I bet there is a lot of waste in the nhs and these huge pension pots are one.

The guy retired at a good age and fucked of to the south of France. He clearly got enough cash.

I can't see myself doing that in 20 years time.

No one should have to pay for a parking permit to attend work especially those with no option to work from home...like a Dr on low pay bandings

The NHS pension plan is one of the few reasons to stay working for the service IMO plus workers can increase their contributions as well (like any employee) so the person in question could have be saving and paying into that from the start of their career.

Personally I begrudge insurance execs who actively try not to help people, earning high salaries. And footballers seriously don't even get me started on that

Pension pot estimates aren’t really accurate. Mine has just dropped in estimated value ( although amount to be paid out stays the same) and I think that is due to interest rates increasing ( I don’t really understand it) so a smaller “pot” pays the same amount.
and agree a ceo of a big trust is a big job. Literally no one would take on the stress and hard work for £50k or even 100k

This.

No-one would take the job for the kind of money you'd want to pay.

So then what?

It's already significantly less money than the same job in a private company.

A CEO of a similar sized private company would be on minimum £350k plus huge bonus up to £1m+

I'm not sure who you would get to do that job for 50k. People can earn 50k straight from uni in a tech role, with zero responsibility.

150k is obviously a good wage, but when you look at recruitment, you have to look at what the people you want to hire can get elsewhere.

I pay 13.5% of my salary into my NHS pension. Over £900 a month. Damn right I'm entitled to it, whatever "it" is worth in 30 years time. I've paid into it for 17 years and it is currently worth the grand total of £12k a year when I retire. Which, ironically is approximately the same as I'll have paid into it this year.

Yes I'm behind the scenes, but I'm responsible for budgets and services worth nearly £100 million. I work long hours and care passionately. Much as ypu may think doctors and nurses are the ones who should be paid, their skillet is not in managing budgets of this size, managing political relationships and negotiating funding.

No one ever? Or no one in the NHS?

I work in the NHS and just don’t get why NHS staff seem to be singled out for special treatment. Obviously there needs to be safe parking available for shift workers but I don’t understand why they specifically shouldn’t have to pay but others, often in lower paid jobs, do have to pay.

Can someone explain it to me please?

If you're going to complain about something at least take a minute to understand what you're complaining about.

There is no £1.8M pension pot. The money does not exist outside actuarial calculations. Unless the person you're referring to lives into his 90s, he won't see most of it.

Plus, as others have said, senior management jobs in the public sector pay a fraction of equivalent status jobs in the private sector and they have to run the business according to public sector finance rules a lot of which make no sense (I don't know why this is but suspect a lot of it is down to having to use certain private sector suppliers who overcharge public sector organisations and cream off profits at the benefit of highly paid people who have bribed Tory ministers donated to the Conservative party in return for maintaining the status quo).

I don't think you really understand what being a CEO of a massive organisation entails.

I notice that you asked AIBU but disabled voting. YABU for that alone.

YABU very unreasonable for linking what you think one particular individual is getting or has been paid because you know that that person is generally disliked because of a single high profile case, and drawing conclusions that affect everyone in NHS management. If you think things are bad in the NHS now, just wait until you see what it looks like with no managers. You could in fact construct a strong argument that if NHS managers were paid more and were competitive with packages in the private sector, then you would attract stronger fields of candidates.

You are framing your argument in such a way that it makes logical sense to assume that one NHS manager may have been poor, so they all are; one nurse murdered babies, so they all do, and one GP murdered patients, so all GP's must be the same. That is disingenuous rubbish.

Or pension pots.

Which makes this thread an interesting choice.

I would. What exactly did he do all day? It's one of those jobs where you can be absent for a month and nobody realizes - like CEOs of academy chains.

@Aishah231 exactly.

That would be interesting, to know exactly what these people do all day.

Unless your MIL is in receipt of pension credit I am very, very surprised to hear that she has been told she will receive £600. I rent privately and I am on a very low income - just state pension ( and not the full amount) plus a small works pension. Together this takes me slightly above the pension credit threshold so I don't qualify for it, which means I don't qualify for lots of other benefits. I didn't get as much help with the cost of living energy payment last year, for instance. The only benefit I qualify for is £200 month housing benefit (which, when you think about it, is going towards paying my landlord's mortgage! But I say that tongue in cheek, he's a lovely landlord) For some reason, housing benefit is not classed with other means tested benefits so I get less help. I will be astonished if I am told I am to receive £600 as OP's MIL!!! But I will keep you up to date idmf I hear anything.