Rishi Sunak and Lucy Lenny Case

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Why on earth didn’t Rishi Sunak rush to change the law to make it mandatory for offenders to appear in court at sentencing.

One would assume he has known about the Lucy Letby case for months, if not years. As usual with this government, the horse has already bolted.

Why doesn’t he want a statutory inquiry into the Lucy Letby case, where witnesses are legally compelled to present evidence?

Why would he want to rush it and in my opinion miss facts/gloss over such harrowing events?

It’s a complete insult to those poor parents and consultants.

Unfortunately my health and is not good and never will be. There’s no way I would be considered. It is good that the requirements are broad and jobs are there.

As I have written my health would disqualify me from applying. It’s a good job. Respect to those who do this work. The jobs are there so let’s see those looking for work applying.

Not enough respect for you to give a shit about their welfare though, apparently. Some nameless, faceless others will step in and enact your daft ideas at considerable risk to themselves. Even though they clearly won't.

What a nasty comment you write.
You support giving murderers the choice on facing court. I say take the choice away from them.

It's a good job that kills you 20 years younger and/or leaves you disabled and pays less than the average salary in the UK? Sure it is

People can get paid practically as much on average in Aldi, without the assault and possible death.

You clearly do not respect those who do this work. If you did you would not ask them to put their lives and health at risk unnecessarily. That's not respect that's disinterest.

To what end? What about the situation would change by having them there? The sentence is the same, the judge receives the impact statement just the same. If a prison waives their right to be the room when the verdict is given, what is the point of forcing them?

You've called one person stupid and another nasty. Neither of them are stupid or nasty.

How about you do the job of looking after the criminal whilst they are in a cell after refusing to go to court? Why don’t you stand up for what you support or are you relying on “faceless others”? Thought so.

Using the word “shit” is nasty imho.

But calling them names isn't?

I support taking the choice away from murderers and other serious crime criminals about their appearing or not in court. I find it strange that people here support giving the murderer the choice on yes or no appearing in court to get their sentence. I say don’t give the criminal the choice. I see it’s an unpopular opinion but it’s one I stand by.

Name called? I see that you are bullying me here

But you haven't said how you think that it should be enforced. What exactly does not giving them the choice entail?

Obviously people have to be paid properly. Where did I say that people shouldn’t be paid correctly? That’s right - I did not make such a comment. I do respect those who do this work. How nasty of you to say otherwise.

You are calling people stupid and nasty and I am the one being a bully?

If you can't handle the word shit being written in a post to you and cry bullying at another poster, but you expect people to handle being assaulted for somethinf unneccessary that's a bit hypocritical

I'm afraid that argument simply doesn't work when it's only you who wants to increase the risk to prison and indeed court staff. The time when you could've criticised anyone for their stance on the issue passed some time ago.

So we all understand, here's a woman who was kicked to death whilst moving a prisoner. This is what you want to risk more of.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/12/07/prison-guard-kicked-to-death-by-inmate-who-lashed-out-with-no-warning-17894819/

You said you hoped people applied after you were told it was badly paid

If you want to call me nasty and a bully thats fine. I'm not the one demanding young unemployed people sign up to be assaulted and killed for unnecessary tasks.

You don't have the moral high ground here no matter how many names you call me

It entails expecting people like poor Lorraine Barwell to put themselves at greater risk.

Yes play it to her on a loop.best thing.

Prison guards aren't going to want to be attacked trying to drag someone into court

Beam it all.into.the cell.

Obviously this is terrible.
I still stand by removing the choice of a murderer to decide if they appear in court or not. In relation to that terrible death you link to The baby murderer in question here was moved to the court so staff were at risk. She was arrested and staff were at risk. She is in prison and staff are at risk. The risk is there always when dealing with violent criminals. Perhaps the judge and/or victims should decide on the criminal hearing the sentence. The baby murderer In question should not have the power to decide.

She'd probably enjoy listening to the impact statements, given the way she Facebook stalked her victims' families.

The point is that those are all necessary risks for public safety. Putting prison staff in danger in order to drag someone into court to listen to sentencing just isn't justifiable.

What do you suggest we do if Serco refuses to put its staff in danger?

Honestly, the idea that because there's a risk to staff anyway it's fine to increase it is batshit. Nobody leaves their front door wide open because even if you lock it, you might still get burgled. And the lack of care for staff speaks for itself. You can't think it's that terrible if you want to advocate for a policy where more staff would be at risk.

The question about Serco was a good one too. Where do you think all the staff to do this are going to come from? Serco got fined a seven figure sum after Lorraine Barwell was killed. Do you reckon they're going to be up for taking on the riskiest transfers, which dragging the unwilling into courtrooms will be? Tell us how your idea will work.

Well said, @Iam4eels . I entirely agree.

I could live with sentencing remarks being piped into the cells of prisoners who refused to go into court though.

I did not read that it was said to be poorly paid . I read that I should apply for such a job. I said I couldn’t due to my health.
Are you talking about the armed forces as well? That’s a tough job with the life on the line. There are jobs that are risk. People do these jobs and they get my respect. Pay should be better. Policing is a risky job. Being an ambulance driver/paramedic is a risky job as well due to violence. I rely on all these people as do you too.