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To think this is a dick move

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IsTheOffDutyDoneYet · 18/08/2023 22:18

Completed on house sale today. Got the call at 10:15am to inform us. Called EA to enquire about the keys, who advised they weren’t available yet, seller was in the process of moving things out. Now EA had called a couple of days earlier to say seller stressing about moving their stuff, obviously we didn’t know completion time, but asking how flexible we were. 4pm was mentioned. I’d stated we could be a little bit flexible, however not as late as 4pm. We got a phone call from EA again today at 12:30 to say seller going as fast as they could, we may be looking at 4pm before we got they keys, asking us to ring seller at 4pm to check if keys ready. I text seller to say we would meet him at the property for 4pm to get the keys. I got a text back to say he was struggling for 4pm as he didn’t get his keys to his new place until 12:30pm, so I called the EA to ask them to deal with times etc as nothing had been offered in terms of when he might be done.

Anyway, long story short we picked up the exs keys from the EA at 4:20pm and he gave us his keys pretty much at the property at 5:20pm. Said he’d taken everything, best of luck etc etc and then he was gone. So we get into the property, obviously looks weird with nothing in. Opened all the windows. House was actually really not very clean. We bought a brand new Hoover, and have filled up over one bin bag with Hooverings. Cupboards filthy, general dirt and dust and grime. You expect some, but the house needs a proper clean. Going through the house, there are multiple items left - some crutches, boxes, old travel cot etc. In the loft, which has been used as a room, they’d put dividing plaster board all down a section of it to store belongings down one side, however this has been pulled out and left in the room. The worst thing is that dog poo (multiple) has been left in the back yard. On leaving we were shutting all the windows and both living room top windows don’t shut. One seems to have dropped, and we didn’t have a hammer to sort it. The other the bracket so just completely bent and broken, so we can’t shut it properly. The whole day has been wasted as we had taken annual leave and didn’t get into the property until 5:20, almost 7 hours after completion, plus it was left in a state and the issues I’ve already outlined.

I don’t think IABU, but the question is what can we do, if anything? All of the items need shifting, we don’t want them. And the windows are an issue. Is there any recourse? It’s the first time we have bought a house and it’s left a sour note; I’m feeling very deflated right now and any advice would be appreciated. Some photos attached of what’s been left (not everything) and the broken bracket.

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IsTheOffDutyDoneYet · 18/08/2023 22:20

Sorry photos didn’t attach!!

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IsTheOffDutyDoneYet · 18/08/2023 22:21

Annnnd the bracket

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ParisianSun · 18/08/2023 22:28

Take as many photos as possible and contact your solicitor

Ducksinthebath · 18/08/2023 22:35

Chuck the stuff in the bin or the tip, clear up the shit and move on. You’ve had a stressful day and the best thing is to put it behind you. I speak from experience having moved into a house that took months to sort out.

As to the window? I don’t know - was there anything to say they all worked, were they checked in the survey? If neither then I suspect caveat emptor.

dancingdaisies · 18/08/2023 22:36

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CrotchetyQuaver · 18/08/2023 22:37

^
what she said
I would also list the time it takes you to clear/clean up each mess you encounter to go along with the photos to your solicitor.
I would have just turned up with my stuff whilst he was clearing his out and put the pressure on. Clearly very disorganised seller. Vile about the dog 💩
I hope a solicitor sees this and replies as I know this is a regular scenario but can't remember what the correct way to deal with it is.

LittleBrownJug · 18/08/2023 22:40

No advice really, but commiserations. When I moved house was in a much worse state — absolutely filthy, stuff left behind, and major things that looked like they worked (log burner, shower, to think of two) had just been rigged up to look like they functioned but did not. The sellers were absolute arseholes however & I wanted nothing more to do with them so didn’t bother questioning any of it. To this day can’t find documents about a boundary wall issue & solicitor at the time was useless so I have up.

We we’re quite naive - buying a home that needed so much more work than we thought & the sellers were so nasty we just wanted to the whole process to be over. If I had to do it all again I would have been tougher, but at the time I didn’t have the energy. So by all means call your solicitor if you think it can make a difference — but ask yourself what you are hoping to get out of doing that? Will you really be able to gain any compensation for time lost or things being left in the house, or it being dirty? I’m really not convinced you will but maybe someone knows better than me.

WeirdBarbie · 18/08/2023 22:42

Ducksinthebath · 18/08/2023 22:35

Chuck the stuff in the bin or the tip, clear up the shit and move on. You’ve had a stressful day and the best thing is to put it behind you. I speak from experience having moved into a house that took months to sort out.

As to the window? I don’t know - was there anything to say they all worked, were they checked in the survey? If neither then I suspect caveat emptor.

I think this. Feels really bad now, but honestly I’ve seen worse. Won’t feel bad in a week.

Mollypolly2610 · 18/08/2023 22:45

I had a house clearance done on a house I sold and the guy told me that things left are a dream for them. They can charge what they like to remove what should have been removed.

Contact your solicitor and tell them that you will order a house clearance of their things. And will send the bill to them.

Chickpea17 · 18/08/2023 22:45

Seen a lot worse. Don't waste anymore time getting stressed. Put the crap in the bin and start to enjoy your new home.

NotABeliever · 18/08/2023 22:47

It happened to us we completed at lunch time and had a removal van ready to offload in the new property but the old owners wouldn't leave because their property wasn't ready yet. We were very sympathetic and pretty much ended up wasting the whole day after them. Never again. Next time, I'll just kick up a fuss

CaramelMac · 18/08/2023 22:59

We had the same with a filthy house, broken window hinges, plus lots of furniture left including a double bed left on the third floor.

Our sellers said they’d reimburse us for the extra cost of removing the furniture and disposing of it but they never did, best to put it behind you and start planning how you’re going to make it your own!

Potterylady13 · 18/08/2023 23:00

In 1999 I brought a property with my then husband - sellers wanted to sell us some furniture but we declined. When we moved in it was supposed to be empty but left loads of stuff and the solicitors and estate agents would not pass on their forwarding address and they contacted them for us but would not collect. I told the EA that I would deliver it to them to pass on and they said if you do we will call the police. I'm a vindictive cow at times, so I packed my car with as much as I could and dumped it outside the agents - told them to call the police and their clients as it's their stuff and drive off. Never heard from them and it made me feel good. The rest of the stuff we chopped up and a neighbour had it for their wood burner.

LadyLolaRuben · 18/08/2023 23:01

I had similar OP. I couldn't get in the loft it was rammed. I went to solicitor and got previous owner back to clear out all her shit. As for cleaning - its rare to get a house fully scrubbed. I always expect to clean it. Its disappointing but different standards

pictoosh · 18/08/2023 23:05

This is common. Don't think I've ever moved into a place that didn't have some scraps left behind. In my experience, you've got off quite lightly.
Chuck the stuff and forget about it.

Yyfandes · 18/08/2023 23:08

Our last move, the sellers left loads behind. We hired a skip for the next day, camped out in one room we cleaned for the first night, then got in touch with the agent, and had them tell the sellers that they were to pay for the skip, or we would pursue them as far as needed for the money. They paid up, but we did do the work of putting it all in the skip.

catsnhats11 · 18/08/2023 23:09

I'm going to guess you're a FTB... It's annoying but you aren't buying a show home. From the looks of it even when you viewed it it would have been obvious it's a bit scruffy and run down. I'd just move on, surely youd deep clean regardless. It's not like when you get the keys to a rental and it's had a (so called) deep clean first.

LoveThisUsername · 18/08/2023 23:09

I wouldn't be bothered about that bit of drywall. You might find a use for it.

And presumably you would deep clean the house properly anyway before moving your things in, so I wouldn't really be bothered about that either.

The dog shit is disgusting and I'd take that and the broken window up with the solicitors.

Imsureitsprobablymebut · 18/08/2023 23:10

We had 6 calves left in the garage and the roof taken from the stables (presumably for their new place!).

Tip it & move on x

Echio · 18/08/2023 23:18

OP I feel for you but really there is no realistic recourse except some frank reviews of the EA online, and you can be petty and not forward the sellers post ;)

I bought as a FTB in May and had really similar issues. Dog shit everywhere in the garden, the house left absolutely filthy (it was a shock as everything seemed so spotless when I viewed it back in Jan - clearly just didn't take it in properly) and a mountain of issues with appliances etc that they'd actively declared were fine (dishwasher and oven both broken, washing machine so disgusting I ended up replacing it, and the piece de resistance - the solar panels don't work and will be several £k to repair).

Unfortunately it's pretty much known that you'll be looking at more in solicitor fees than you're likely to get back.

My house also had two windows which didn't open/close (the survey said 'of those that they opened they were fine' - which I didn't realise at the time obviously meant they hadn't tried them all). The front door is fucked and needs replacing , half the time I can't get in - the survey said it needed adjusting, the owners said 'oh I hadn't noticed it was stiff, we'll put some WD40 on it' - I had two workmen come and they've both said the hinges are not adjustable in the right way so it's a replacement job only as it's one of those composite/plastic malarky's, so the owners clearly knew that, but there's just not enough to go on.

I'm pissed off, I paid well over asking because I really thought it was a house I could simply move into without needing much doing.

But to be honest, I'm (mainly!) over now it, if I have my time again I'll be a lot more careful. And, the bones of the house are fine and I now really love it.

Anyway- sorry for the rant - just - it was rubbish, but sometimes it goes that way - but you will soon make it your own and get some good vibes :)

PragmaticWench · 18/08/2023 23:30

Any window issues were on you or a surveyor to check prior to purchase.

I understand the state of the property is annoying but it's very, very minor compared to a lot of issues left by vendors. There's nothing about the state of the property you could take up via your solicitor, it's all cosmetic. Now that might sound tough, but it's how house buying works, you don't automatically get a clean property.

IsTheOffDutyDoneYet · 18/08/2023 23:33

Thanks for the replies, and sorry for those of you going through/having been through this.

In terms of it being unclean, that is just more of a frustration than anything else and just to be clear not looking to complain about that to EA/solicitors. I’m just moaning about that because it is really annoying. However, it’s the other stuff. Mainly the dog poo. I’ve not uploaded all of the photos of whats been left, just a snapshot to get an idea. The dry wall was attached when we last viewed, so I would expect it to have still been so on completing. If they were going to pull it apart they could have at least got rid of it. Also there have been bits removed from the wall up in the loft for no particular reason.

I’m not looking for financial recourse, I just want all of the shit (quite literally) removed. It’s not as simple as us getting a skip, as we are on a busy main road and would have nowhere to put it. We don’t have the time to get rid of extra crap that isn’t ours, however I didn’t know whether we can insist on being able to ask for things to be removed. It’s just been one thing after another, and after only getting in at silly o’clock it’s just so disheartening to have additional stuff to deal with. The windows we were led to believe no issues with, but the broken brackets say otherwise.

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ThursdayFreedom · 18/08/2023 23:41

I'm sorry it's so disappointing isn't it.

when I bought this place, I got the keys late (they had their business to run don't you know) 🙄🙄

they'd left all manner of shit, broken (heavy) curtain rails, broken, cheap & nasty beds in the attic (people had been sleeping in the boarded loft) general rubbish.

Estate Agent was crap so I rang the woman and said she gad an hours to remove all the crap. She told me she'd left it all for me as I might need it. I was far more polite than I felt like being.

she said I could throw away what I didn't want. I told her that she'd be getting a removal bill for anything still here after o'clock and I wouldn't be quiet about the disgusting state of the place (local restaurant owners)

Fortunately I was staying with family, so I didn't have to sleep here until a friend & I had scrubbed it to within an inch of its life!

it was incredibly grim. Everything was pretty nasty.

there were a few issues like your window, but I decided I'd rather just move forward & replace them when I could, than spend time, money & emotional energy on trying to get any kind of payment.

dog poo is horrible, even more so when it's not your dog,but legally I don't think you've got a leg to stand on revthem leaving it there.

Get stuck in over the weekend & get it clean & start making it yours!!

Echio · 18/08/2023 23:42

Ah - understanding what you need a bit more here - yeah I'd give the EA quite an earful tomorrow morning about how urgent it is and what you want to happen (I'm really not sure what's best now the house is yours as you probably don't really want the seller coming back?). I'd be threatening with saying you've gathered some of the crap into boxes and will be leaving it all at the estate agent for them to pass on! ;)

Merryoldgoat · 18/08/2023 23:43

I had not dissimilar.

My idiot vendors had not booked their removal for the right time.

I told her she had half an hour to get them there or my removal men would empty the house and I’d charge her as it was no longer hers.

They were hell from start to finish and I cried at the state of the house - it looked like a squat it was so dirty and smelly.

It took me a good 2 years to settle but I love my house now.

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