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Sisters wedding

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interlude2020 · 16/08/2023 11:37

My sister (aged 46 almost) has been working away in America for 12m. We see her intermittently when she comes home and provide her with an address here for post etc

She came back in May and announced that she is getting married. We weren't expecting it at all as she's been with the boyfriend less than a year but apparently my dad knew some time in advance

I'm delighted for her even though it means she will be moving there permanently and we will hardly see her

She then said the wedding is in October THIS year and in America. And it was already booked and sorted. That's the date 'make it if you can'

Both my dad and ourselves already had a holiday booked which overlaps that weekend. My dad has just cancelled his. ours has been paid for by my inlaws whom we live with. Therefore not so easy to say sorry about your £4000 you've spent on us. We've left this holiday running because if we can't get visas we may as well still go.

the wedding is not in school holidays and would need time off to get there and our eldest is doing GCSE and we also have already committed (only in April) to a US Disney holiday in Feb 2024. It's costing 12k and we've been saving for a year already for it. we did ask in feb this year if sister and then boyfriend would like to join us before booking etc so she knew we were committing this kind of money. A further trip in october is 1k EACH for flights plus accomodation, food, outfits etc etc etc - likely another 8k

This is the killer though we now need visas as we went to Cuba in 2021 before Trump brought in a new rule about travelling there. We can't go on an esta

We applied immediately for visas in May. The wait for an appt was 7m plus then you have to wait for the visa to be sent. I have rung the visa office, begged, offered to pay etc etc etc
I can't get an earlier appt than 3 November.
Every day multiple times I check for cancellations - nothing.

They told me i should have applied in feb to be certain of getting one or march at latest and that would have been cutting it fine.
I hoped, worse case scenario, that just i could go but I can't get a visa
I was hassled for numbers for the wedding in July and I have warned her all the way along since the moment they told us that we needed visas.

I've had to say it doesn't look like we can get them and if she needs definite numbers then we will have to say no

I've now had a horrible ranting message from her saying we have 'chosen' not to come and the holiday with our inlaws is more important to us and we always chose other things over her and that we should drop everything in our lives to bend over backwards and how would my dead mother feel.
Just bitchy and horrible.
She also accused me of never saying I wanted to go and that we have made no effort. Luckily have WhatsApp message contradicting this and showing I have said just these things!
The reason she has given for choosing things over her is that at Christmas she came home (at short notice) and we went to our works Christmas party which was booked the previous May and as we are the bosses we can't really then just cancel) it's our business and we are self employed relying on our employees etc

I cancelled a days work to go and empty sisters storage unit for her last month so that my dad could stop paying for it (yes my dad was paying for it!). I didnt have to and willingly offered

If we cannot get visas we were going to suggest she had an event here in the UK for friends and family who could not travel (we have an elderly aunt and uncle who cant travel and a load of cousins who haven't been invited and she must have friends here who can't go). We were happy to host this. I haven't even mentioned it now

Sister says we are using the visas as an excuse! I cannot help the visa situation and I promised her I would do my best to be there and I have but I just cannot get an appt. The visa office lady when I rang yet again last week said to me 'your sister should know all about visas if she's living over there and should have given you time to sort it'. They make no exceptions for family weddings/babies or events
And obviously it's not a state wedding 🙄

My sister and therefore my dad who she has moaned to on the phone feel this is all my fault.

She's caused a massive argument with my dad who blames me for everything even though I had no control over the date and definitely no control over the visa office
I don't know what else I could do with such short notice

The forums about Disney and visas are all full of people struggling to get appointments. I'm not the only one

added to this we've had no formal invite
I don't even know what the details are or where it us other than a state in america and a date in October

Both my husband and I feel that if she really wanted us there she would have given us more warning. She told my dad earlier and she certainly knew before we booked our Disney trip That she was planning this. We would have delayed disney and sorted visas if we had known.
Sister has no children and not been married before, also owns no house nor has any committments and a flexible job and can take time off work at the drop of a hat
I get it's her wedding, she's excited, has a vision and things are not conforming to that vision now so she is now disappointed and upset but I'm really upset too and being blamed entirely.
My kids will miss out on what is an important family event and I just feel if we'd been told before they booked it all we could have said straight off that visas would be the sticking point and she could have decided if she wanted us there or not Before she booked the date.

AIBU thinking that or should I have done something else to get a visa in just under 5 months??? what else could i have done? There is no way I can travel without a visa obviously! I'm being told from all sides that this is all my fault. I'm so upset I'm going to have to miss my only siblings wedding

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Whataretheodds · 16/08/2023 14:00

NoImnotcalledIgglePiggle · 16/08/2023 13:30

The Disney trip has nothing to do with anything. It is next year.

The holiday with the in-laws isn't the trip to Disney. It also clashes with the sister's wedding.

OP cannot go to the wedding this year because there isn't enough time to get a visa for October.

Crikey I was more confused than I thought. I don't know why we were hearing the whole saga about Disney

Grumpy101 · 16/08/2023 14:03

Your sister is very unreasonable. Stop bending over backwards.

Daphnis156 · 16/08/2023 14:10

From your hugely long message, if you do go to this wedding (and I wouldn't) please don't make a speech...

interlude2020 · 16/08/2023 14:15

Whataretheodds · 16/08/2023 14:00

Crikey I was more confused than I thought. I don't know why we were hearing the whole saga about Disney

Because its relevant in that sister knew we had booked thsi to the tune of 12k maybe more and that she then expects us to find another 8k with no warning

You maybe have that sort of cash hanging around. We don't. It will mean a bank loan

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interlude2020 · 16/08/2023 14:16

Greensleeves · 16/08/2023 11:45

Your sister is stark, staring mad. Has she always been a narcissistic nightmare?

I would send a short, polite email saying that you won't be coming to the wedding, and that you feel some distance is necessary at this point. Then ignore the histrionics. If your dad wants to play flying monkey, distance yourself from him as well. And DON'T feel guilty.

Life is too short for this sort of nonsense.

Thanks

It appears most agree with you

Distance at least won't be a problem given the time zones

Very sad about the whole thing to be honest

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interlude2020 · 16/08/2023 14:22

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We have done exactly that. Esta applied for on booking which we have used fine in 2020 and prior to that x4 trips. Found out we needed visas now so immediately applied for in May. This coincided with the wedding announcement

Loads of time to get visa for Feb 2024
Will have them by end Nov at latest

Unfortunately not loads of time to get one within 5 months for the wedding

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Whataretheodds · 16/08/2023 14:25

interlude2020 · 16/08/2023 14:15

Because its relevant in that sister knew we had booked thsi to the tune of 12k maybe more and that she then expects us to find another 8k with no warning

You maybe have that sort of cash hanging around. We don't. It will mean a bank loan

It doesn't really matter why you don't gave a spare £8k lying around. It's not a trivial amount and if you don't have it you don't have it.

In any case, you already have the holiday with in-laws booked so you're not available on the wedding date.

Your sister is being ridiculous

Parky04 · 16/08/2023 14:28

You committed going on holiday with your in laws. If I was your DH I wouldn't be very happy with you if you cancelled, and I certainly wouldn't be going with you as I would still be going with my parents.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 16/08/2023 14:33

Your sister is clearly being Unreasonable.

However, the Cuba and visa thing confuses me. DH and I went to Cuba in 2016 and to the States last October. We just did it on an ESTA. I don't know if it made a difference that we had both renewed our passports since the Cuba trip so there was no stamp in our current passports.

If that's the case, you could just order new passports.

ButterCrackers · 16/08/2023 14:35

She set the date without asking you if it was ok. You have a lot going on that can’t be cancelled. You have travel problems. Tell her that she is welcome to visit you all any time.

NoImnotcalledIgglePiggle · 16/08/2023 14:42

You can't go. That's it. You can't.

You have a previous commitment (holiday with in laws)
OK, you could bail on them but that wouldn't be a nice thing to do

It's very expensive (money that you don't have/haven't budgeted for).
OK, you could take out a loan - but why should you?

But most importantly:

You can't enter the US (visa not available in time).
No ifs, no buts, no "but what about xyz?" You cannot get in to the country.

Even if you were prepared to disappoint the in laws (and leave them out of pocket) and take out a substantial loan for flights/hotels that you know you can't even use, you wouldn't be allowed to board the plane in the first place?

How is she suggesting that you make the journey?

ManateeFair · 16/08/2023 14:43

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'You didn't bother to do any research' is a bit rich coming from someone who didn't even bother to read the post properly.

The issue is not that she can't get a visa in time for her holiday in 2024. It's that she can't one in time for her sister's wedding, which is in October this year, and which the OP only told her about a couple of months ago (and which her sister has arranged for the same week that the OP had already booked for a non-US holiday with her in-laws).

sodthesodoff · 16/08/2023 14:47

Your sister is crazy. But I'm going to assume she's always been self centred. Has your dad always enabled it?

I'd be more concerned that he doesn't have your back now. He's not the one mired in all the wedding drama. So how can he not see it's not possible?

She can jib on all she likes. It's your dad I'd be having words with and possibly distancing from if he cannot or will not support you.

Didimum · 16/08/2023 14:51

I agree you are overcomplicating this – you can't go; simple as that. I know it's horrible but take the emotion out of it. You can't set yourself on fire to keep another person warm.

Iloveacurry · 16/08/2023 15:01

I think she’s being massively unreasonable expecting you to go to her wedding in the US with only 5 month’s notice. I assume she thinks money grows on trees.

Theroom · 16/08/2023 15:15

I missed a family event because my sibling didn't bother to check I was available for that date in advance. They then had a fit that I missed it and obviously didn't care about them.

Sorry. I wouldn't be going to the wedding and I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. If she wanted you there that much she should have checked the date with you before booking.

Crossstich · 16/08/2023 15:29

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The issue is she needs a visa to attend her sister's wedding which is this October and she has only recently been told about it.
It's nothing to do with the holiday in 2024

WheresMyChunkz · 16/08/2023 18:02

She and your dad are trying to emotionally blackmail you for not being able to attend an event when she didn't check with you before booking something. Not on. There are legal reasons why you can't go (visa), financial (extra costs) and moral (not fair on your husband, in-laws and DC's to change plans for a holiday they have already booked and started to look forward to). Any of those would be reason enough on their own to say you can't go to the wedding.

Bringing your late DM into it is wrong on all counts, and if it was me, as soon as she tried to emotionally blackmail me like that I would probably have said no on principal rather than attempt to change my plans. She hasn't listened and doesn't care about your plans, expense or inconvenience. If she was annoyed you aren't going, she should have accepted it graciously.

1FootInTheRave · 16/08/2023 18:40

She's an absolute nob.

I wouldn't even feel bad about missing the wedding tbh.

Jackydaytona · 16/08/2023 18:46

It's an invite

Not a summons

Wish her well. Ask about her gift list and nip this catastrodrama in the bud

I'm speaking from experience of my own sisters wedding - which I did not attend.

Amazingly, the sun rose the next day regardless 😊

interlude2020 · 17/08/2023 20:39

EmmaGrundyForPM · 16/08/2023 14:33

Your sister is clearly being Unreasonable.

However, the Cuba and visa thing confuses me. DH and I went to Cuba in 2016 and to the States last October. We just did it on an ESTA. I don't know if it made a difference that we had both renewed our passports since the Cuba trip so there was no stamp in our current passports.

If that's the case, you could just order new passports.

I think you are OK if you went in 2016. When we went online to do our estas there is now a question which says 'have you travelled to Cuba since Jan 2021'. Or similar. This was new since we went in 2020

If you go again to cuba you'll need visas because if you lie on the application they can check traveller manifests and then will ban you from the US forever more.
visas are obviously loads more money but do last 10 years

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NorthernDuckling · 17/08/2023 21:06

You can get a second passport for travelling to incompatible countries. I know a couple of people with a second passport (mainly for work where they do a lot of work internationally).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/additional-passports/additional-passports-accessible#:~:text=HM%20Passport%20Office%20does%20not,provide%20evidence%20to%20show%20it

saraclara · 17/08/2023 21:34

NorthernDuckling · 17/08/2023 21:06

You can get a second passport for travelling to incompatible countries. I know a couple of people with a second passport (mainly for work where they do a lot of work internationally).

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/additional-passports/additional-passports-accessible#:~:text=HM%20Passport%20Office%20does%20not,provide%20evidence%20to%20show%20it

You need a good reason (like work, as per your friends)
I had to get a visa for the US before I traveled to Iran. With an Iran visa in my passport I would neither be able to get an ESTA nor get a US visa afterwards. Consequently I had to think ahead. I didn't have a US trip planned, but I didn't want to be unable to go in the future. Having the 10 year visa already, meant that my own stamp wouldn't prevent travel

I enquired about a second passport, but as these were just leisure trips, I didn't qualify.

keojam80 · 17/08/2023 22:08

I think it's utterly selfish to expect you to cancel your holiday and have the wedding during term time at your sons age. Very ill thought out so she can deal with the consequences. The sheer cost of it alone would be enough to say no.

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