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To not allow estate agent access

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LoverNotAFighter · 15/08/2023 20:24

Hello, I posted yesterday for advice following an eviction and court summons.
I cant afford the rent of £950 anymore I'm a single parent on UC, I've built up rent arrears over 4 months because the amount ive been paying is the UC housing element which is £510, I tried to speak with the landlord that my children's dad doesnt contribute financially anymore and I couldn't afford the amount, anyway I've got to attend court 21st September.

This afternoon I've received an email from your move saying my landlord has asked them to come over to the house and value it for sales and rental values. What date and time is convenient for him to come over.

I dont feel comfortable with this as I'm a single parent and dont want my landlord turning up aswell.
Would I be unreasonable to say I dont feel comfortable with this and ask them to wait until I've vacated the property?
I'm trying my best to find alternative living arrangements but it's really not that easy.

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caringcarer · 16/08/2023 02:35

Blossomtoes · 16/08/2023 00:20

She’s not expecting the moon on a stick. The shortfall in rent has been a couple of months. There’s no gas safety certificate, dodgy electrics and it’s got an energy rating of E - it’s supposed to be a minimum of C - that hasn’t all happened in two months. Housing benefit doesn’t cover the rent and her kids’ dad has given up paying child support. It’s not that she won’t pay all the rent, she can’t. And then on top of all that the landlord is being paid in cash and there’s no rent book or receipts.

The minimum legal EPC is an E. OP said hers is an E and it lasts until 2026. Also OP said she has only paid half rent for 4 months so likely 2 full months in arrears. She will lose her bond to pay towards rent arrears. She will most likely be issued a S8.

BungleandGeorge · 16/08/2023 03:12

If you’re a single parent you don’t only get £800 total per month including the contribution towards rent. UC is more than that, or you must earn a salary on top? I do agree it’s wrong that you need to wait to be evicted before you can get help from the council

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 16/08/2023 07:05

HopefulSeller · 15/08/2023 21:42

It’s focusing on the wrong thing. Blocking one, one hour viewing by an EA seems completely the wrong thing to focus on.

OP the gas certificate is done yearly but they don’t check the electrics. That is done every 4 years I think and also should have been done. If your call environmental health as others have said they will give the LL notice to produce these and probably fined if they haven’t.

Electrics every 5 years x

Abbimae · 16/08/2023 07:28

landlords Also have bills to pay. No one is entitled to a free ride whether that’s ’how the system works’ or not. A landlord may be renting out a second home and have no means to pay the Mortage- hence why they rent it out.

londonrach · 16/08/2023 07:29

Jyas · 15/08/2023 20:44

@Flopsythebunny my contract says that LL has the right to do viewings in the last 8 weeks of the tenancy, for example. Contract via a major estate management company in London so I’m quite sure that it is within the law.

Its not. You never ever have to allow viewings. The estate agent or ll hope you don't know this. You have right to quiet enjoyment of your house or flat. You have to allow ll or ea access for maintenance or inspection but with it was either 24 or 48 hours notice. I'm glad I'm out of the rental trap now.

Zebedee55 · 16/08/2023 07:33

Most councils tell evicted tenants to wait until the bailiffs actually turn up. Then, they have to help.

This could be weeks away.

Zebedee55 · 16/08/2023 07:36

LoverNotAFighter · 15/08/2023 21:22

@poorbutgood what would you suggest I do that I havent already?
I applied to child maintenance he works cash in hand so no proof of any earnings so I'm entitled to nothing.
I applied for a dhp they didnt allow it either
I've looked for cheaper accomodation, I still need a deposit and months rent and it's a tough market.
But please if you have any suggestions I would love to hear them

If you wait until the actual eviction, your local council should help you. It might be temporary accommodation, but they won't leave you homeless with children.

Pix56 · 16/08/2023 07:39

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 16/08/2023 07:05

Electrics every 5 years x

Or change of occupation, which mist LL conveniently forget.

Zebedee55 · 16/08/2023 07:41

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/08/2023 22:21

Not if it says in her contract that she has to allow viewings. Most landlords can't afford a month or two of an empty flat after someone has moved out to look for someone news. Especially as mortgages have gone up and op hasn't been paying the full rent.

The law trumps rental contracts. She doesn't have to allow viewings.

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 16/08/2023 07:45

Pix56 · 16/08/2023 07:39

Or change of occupation, which mist LL conveniently forget.

No, you are getting confused (May be conveniently?)

the EICR which checks the installation legally needs to checked every 5 years (and NOT at change of tenancy).

the PAT which checks portable appliances like a microwave, should be done annually and advisably at change of tenancy.

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 16/08/2023 07:47

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 16/08/2023 07:45

No, you are getting confused (May be conveniently?)

the EICR which checks the installation legally needs to checked every 5 years (and NOT at change of tenancy).

the PAT which checks portable appliances like a microwave, should be done annually and advisably at change of tenancy.

  1. What do the Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector (England) Regulations 2020 require?Landlords of privately rented accommodation must:
  • Ensure national standards for electrical safety are met. These are set out in the 18th edition of the ‘Wiring Regulations’, which are published as British Standard 7671.
  • Ensure the electrical installations in their rented properties are inspected and tested by a qualified and competent person at an interval of at least every 5 years.

BS 7671 - 18th Edition - IET Wiring Regulations

Latest information about 18th Edition Wiring Regulations from the IET.

https://electrical.theiet.org/bs-7671/

Summerrainagain1 · 16/08/2023 07:49

I think that would be pretty out of order. I know that you can't help your situation but you are making your LL pay for what you aren't. You will already have cost him/ her loads - in terms of stress and money, simply for letting you rent his/her house. Don't punish him/her further by refusing to let him/ her sell.

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 16/08/2023 07:55

Blossomtoes · 16/08/2023 00:20

She’s not expecting the moon on a stick. The shortfall in rent has been a couple of months. There’s no gas safety certificate, dodgy electrics and it’s got an energy rating of E - it’s supposed to be a minimum of C - that hasn’t all happened in two months. Housing benefit doesn’t cover the rent and her kids’ dad has given up paying child support. It’s not that she won’t pay all the rent, she can’t. And then on top of all that the landlord is being paid in cash and there’s no rent book or receipts.

She doesn’t kniw for sure there’s not a gas cert. She stated there wasn’t an epc and suddenly there was.

the repairs/lack of cert was a huge massive drip feed to justify not paying rent (when she realised the thread was going against her).

Blossomtoes · 16/08/2023 08:05

She should have a copy of the gas certificate. If she doesn’t know whether there’s one or not the landlord hasn’t fulfilled their legal duty. I don’t see any justification. She’s not withholding rent because she doesn’t want to pay, she can’t pay it because she hasn’t got the money. You can’t get blood out of a stone.

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 16/08/2023 08:54

Blossomtoes · 16/08/2023 08:05

She should have a copy of the gas certificate. If she doesn’t know whether there’s one or not the landlord hasn’t fulfilled their legal duty. I don’t see any justification. She’s not withholding rent because she doesn’t want to pay, she can’t pay it because she hasn’t got the money. You can’t get blood out of a stone.

Or that the certificate is lost in a drawer somewhere?

if the LL hasn’t got a cert, there is no excuse…. None. I’m a landlord and that is the most basic of checks that must be done.

however, I’m not convinced he doesn’t have one and we shouldn’t assume he doesn’t just because the tenant (justifying her arrears) is saying that she doesn’t ‘think’ he has.

Blossomtoes · 16/08/2023 08:55

She should have a copy. She should be in absolutely no doubt about it. Landlords are really showing us who they are on this thread.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 16/08/2023 09:02

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/08/2023 22:21

Not if it says in her contract that she has to allow viewings. Most landlords can't afford a month or two of an empty flat after someone has moved out to look for someone news. Especially as mortgages have gone up and op hasn't been paying the full rent.

Its not enforceable, its actually not the law. I have refused before and there was nothing they could do about it.

OP, firstly I am sorry about this. I have skim read the answers and I think you've probably got similar advice to what I would give, I am a longn term renter and had issues with repairs not being done and other things, I successfully took one landlord to court and received half my rent for 6 months back and they had to pay a fine. No lawyer, I represented myself. I never gave that landlord access for viewings. Frankly I am sick of doing that and think its an infringement of my right to quiet enjoyment. We shouldn't be paying full rent while random people walk through our homes so I just stopped allowing it. Nothing they can do. Renting property is a business, they should factor the time to advertise into their budgets and stop expecting tenants to pay full price while they get access for viewings. Its an unfair term and I no longer comply with it.

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 16/08/2023 09:06

Blossomtoes · 16/08/2023 08:55

She should have a copy. She should be in absolutely no doubt about it. Landlords are really showing us who they are on this thread.

The amount of times my tenants will swear blind they weren’t sent a lease, weren’t given a second set of keys, weren’t given the certs.

until I forward the emails/signed key receipt.

I doubt it’s malicious, but things get lost and forgotten. Which is why we now email and sign everything out.

TrickyD · 16/08/2023 09:12

The fact that your XDH doesn’t contribute is hardly your landlord’s fault.
Cash in hand? Report him to the tax people.

MNetcurtains · 16/08/2023 09:35

JudgeJ · 15/08/2023 20:34

So the landlord is to continue to tolerate a non-paying tenant? How many more months will the OP live there for free? Her situation with her children's dad isn't the landlord's concern.

Harsh, but fair.

Moneynewpence · 16/08/2023 09:38

LoverNotAFighter · 15/08/2023 20:52

I'm happy to co operate with this providing I dont actually need to be present whilst it's taking place, I'm not trying to make mine or his life anymore difficult than needed

Well then simple. Negotiate a time and don't be there.

CrazyHedgehogLover · 16/08/2023 09:41

@fullbloom87 I agree that if she finds alternative accommodation the council won't house her, they will offer to help pay for upfront rent/deposit however, if she phones the council she will not instantly be put into band 1, to be in band 1 there needs to be proof of significant health conditions or domestic related situations (domestic abuse and needing to be protected) there's a good chance OP will be in band 2/3 and once she gets into temporary accommodation she will then be put into a higher band.

I have health problems and I was in band 2, managed to get our council property due to it being a new build and it was through a housing association so the council helped us get this one, reality is alot of people have to stay in temporary accommodation before being housed properly.

So it doesn't instantly mean she'll be put into band 1.

CarpetSlipper · 16/08/2023 09:53

Rents are absolutely ridiculous at the moment, I really feel for you OP. A single parent working full time may be taking home around £1600 a month (and no they can’t always just magic up a better paying job as people on here often seem to think is the case) with rents of £900+. How on earth are they supposed to live? Even topped up with UC it would be a struggle with the rising costs of everything.

There is now a huge divide between rich and poor and also a huge generational divide. I know people in their 50s on normal wages looking at early retirement in their massive house (bought for 1/5 of its current worth), spare cash to get new kitchens, extensions etc while people in their 20s/30s are struggling to afford to keep any sort of roof over their head.

I really hope you are housed somewhere suitable and affordable OP, this kind of thing just shouldn’t be happening. The housing element of UC needs to reflect what private rentals actually cost.

coleman31 · 16/08/2023 09:53

I am a landlord and I would fully expect my Tennant to withhold all of the rent if I was leaving them to live in a property in that state. It isn't safe. I would not be able to sleep at night knowing children were living in a house with electrics like that.

Report to the HMRC he is obviously tax fiddling. Report to the council and environmental health. Do not allow them access to the property he sounds far too dodgy to risk him being there alone

Deathbyfluffy · 16/08/2023 09:55

Starlightstarbright2 · 15/08/2023 20:35

Aren’t you the poster been evicted ? I f so I definitely would refuse.

What do you expect if they're not paying rent? Of course they should leave, and it's rather daft they're making everyone's life difficult in the process.

OP, the landlord can chase you for rent when you've left via the courts - even once evicted. Stopping them getting a sale in decent time by not allowing viewings / valuations will just give them more drive to claim back lost money, so you're only shooting yourself in the foot by being stubborn.

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