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To tell you how fucked UK agriculture is?

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eatsleepfarmrepeat · 14/08/2023 21:06

God I just feel beaten this evening, I’m a farmers wife, I work in a professional role which pays well (thank god) we have two young children and I’m just DONE.

My husband is on his arse. This years harvest is so relentless, wet weather means it’s a real smash and grab operation, the heavy machines are running on wet ground and we’re just burning diesel trying to dry wet crops.

I’ve just escorted the combine from the field up to the yard (because it’s raining, again) and for about the fifth time this harvest I’ve been flashed at and given the wanker sign. I mean, I get it, it’s a big bit of kit, it takes up the whole road but honestly escorting is the only way to get them home safely and how the fuck do you get it from A to B without it going on the road? We’re not waggoning class As or having some recreational rave, we’re just making food.

We grow cereals which are either milling wheat for bread (which will be problematic this year due to the drop in proteins and the unfavourable harvest because of the weather) feed wheat for animal feed, oil seed rape for biodiesel and barley, for beer. The new green agenda means our subsidies are being replaced by taking good arable land (which makes up 24% of the country) out of production. This is why there is a shortage of eggs, the commodity price is being pushed and egg producers are not being paid the cost of production by supermarkets so they are importing, from countries which are not held to the same (necessary) animal welfare standards which the UK industry operate under.
we produce high welfare free range chickens. They retail for £10+ but our contract with supermarkets has them in at £3.24 per bird - imagine trying to operate on those margins with food and energy bills being what they are. In addition the UK market is absolutely flooded with Thai imports of cheap shit mean which again falls far below our own mandatory animal welfare standards - we just cannot compete.

ironically a lot of our feed wheat will probs go to vivirgo/e sos for energy crops. Literally thousands of litres of diesel burned producing something to go into a power plant and be sold as green energy for the lithium heavy teslas of Britain.

in the last decade we have planted 100acres of woodland, created four new wildlife ponds on the farm and drilled artichoke and wildflower shelter belts to enhance wildlife and pollinators on the farm.

I keep thinking we would be a million times happier (and better off) if we just sold out of the partnership and started again, get out of this shit, spiralling industry where the general public seem to think we’re trying to kill them and simultaneously fuck the countryside at the same time, go have a nice life where my husband isn’t hampered by stress and the never ending pressure of his arsehole father who got fat in the 70s where they used shit hot chemicals and decimated any balance of wildlife. This year is hard but with the commodity prices falling again against an increasing fuel and labour and fertiliser bill I just wonder what the fuck we are doing it for. Any trade off with the lovely holistic life the kids have is countered by stressed out parents.

we’re an island. We need food security, and we’re being paid to fallow productive acres which is already having a knock on effect to other food markets. Why are we so short sighted? We can afford to be virtuous with our farmland as a nation by offsetting but the outcome is that we’re outsourcing our footprint to these poorer nations like Thailand who are picking up our production slack and selling their chicken into our country at a criminally low value. It’s batshit.

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Anothenamechange · 15/08/2023 10:05

You've made me really ashamed. I'm on a keto style diet and I've been buying chicken breasts from Aldi, lazily assuming they were British. I won't do that anymore. We're on holiday in Dorset and we can see the combines and tractors working all hours so I've just spent a fucking fortune on the local farm shop on local meat. I'm going to try and eat less meat but buy higher welfare British.

You're right, we have been accustomed to pay far too little for food for too long. And we should be maximizing the potential of every arable inch, not covering it in solar panels. Thank you for the incredibly hard work you family puts in and I'm just sorry that it's not more appreciated.

fyn · 15/08/2023 10:05

@freetheunicorn1 I was at an agricultural university during 2016, anecdotally obviously, but only knew of two friends that voted remain. There was great optimism that being free of CAP, which absolutely wasn’t perfect, would allow the UK to support its own farmers and champion British produce. It obviously hasn’t quite worked out like that!

Fieldofbrokenpromises · 15/08/2023 10:06

I have objected to all the new housing estates on productive farmland around here (1000s) of 4 bed executive homes hardly any “affordable

I shop at two local farm shops .

My sympathy evaporated when OP admitted to voting Tory and making the ridiculous and false claim that Labour doesn’t have any agricultural policies. Sorry but you really are getting what you voted for, but your blind Tory dogma means you somehow excuse them.

freetheunicorn1 · 15/08/2023 10:10

fyn · 15/08/2023 10:05

@freetheunicorn1 I was at an agricultural university during 2016, anecdotally obviously, but only knew of two friends that voted remain. There was great optimism that being free of CAP, which absolutely wasn’t perfect, would allow the UK to support its own farmers and champion British produce. It obviously hasn’t quite worked out like that!

Aye yes optimism in the UK government, the flaw in my Brexit arguments...

Eleganz · 15/08/2023 10:17

StefanosHill · 15/08/2023 09:59

I would rather farmers either got out of the industry or actually had enough self awareness to realise that people walking to food banks are never going to accept that you are in hardship whilst driving by in your landrover.

So you want people to vote for your priorities not theirs. Why so self centred? Surely you can see you are not the centre of everyone’s vote.

As for hoping they get out of the industry you are shooting yourself in the foot. We need good food production not less of it.

I want people to consider what is best for the country as a whole not just continually voting for a political party that acts in the vested interests of wealth and then complaining about how tough things are for you because of it.

I do want good food production. I don't think that needs me to have to humour a bunch of entitled tory-voting whingers though. Who said OP was a good farmer?

Eleganz · 15/08/2023 10:19

freetheunicorn1 · 15/08/2023 09:57

Anecdotally the only farmers I know that voted for Brexit were the older ones that are at the end of their working lives...

Look at the voting record for rural constituencies on Brexit. I'm afraid the data does not agree with your anecdote.

Parsleymint · 15/08/2023 10:24

laalaaland · 14/08/2023 21:42

I hear you. I'm so sorry.
What could the average person do to help our farmers?

Look at the label on the food you buy.
If it's produced abroad and it's something we grow it in the UK then try and choose British.

Apples for example. We grow a host of different varieties in the UK and yet many people still buy apples shipped from South Africa, South America or France.
Meat. Don't buy Danish pork when you can buy British. Not only do you then support British farmers but we have a higher welfare standard.
In winter buy locally grown veg rather than air freghted exotics.

Scrowy · 15/08/2023 10:25

The brexit vote was just as divisive in the farming community as it was in the rest of the population.

Calling farmers 'Brexit voting' is very very lazy and immediately highlights that the person writing it probably has very little contact with actual people in the farming community.

Lots of very influential farming figures spoke frequently and passionately about how damaging brexit would be for the farming industry.

Others spoke passionately for Brexit.

The polling afterwards suggested that the farming community voted broadly in a similar way to the rest of the country.

There has been a shift in Tory farming policies since Brexit - not that I'm a tory voter but pre-brexit they were seen as a safe pair of hands for farming. There is a lot of concern now that people with an agenda like Carrie Johnson, Zac Goldsmith and James Dyson have had far too much influence over the direction of farming policy.

The next election will be very interesting, but my sneaking suspicion is that farmers will be significantly less inclined to vote Tory thos time round.

Trixiefirecracker · 15/08/2023 10:27

‘Food security is terrifying in this country’, does anyone stop to think why? So many years of Tory mismanagement and Brexit chaos and still all the farmers round here would still prefer to vote Tory as they want to protect their wealth. It’s crazy. I too have little sympathy as you reap what you sow. To say labour has no agricultural agenda is just not true.

ArabeIIaScott · 15/08/2023 10:30

Trixiefirecracker · 15/08/2023 10:27

‘Food security is terrifying in this country’, does anyone stop to think why? So many years of Tory mismanagement and Brexit chaos and still all the farmers round here would still prefer to vote Tory as they want to protect their wealth. It’s crazy. I too have little sympathy as you reap what you sow. To say labour has no agricultural agenda is just not true.

I've just gone and had a look, and Labour's website shows no press releases related to farming since 2021.

Rightly or wrongly, most people see Labour as an urban party not giving the slightest fuck about rural communities.

https://labour.org.uk/category/latest/press-release/farming/

Farming Archives - The Labour Party

https://labour.org.uk/category/latest/press-release/farming

freetheunicorn1 · 15/08/2023 10:31

@Eleganz hence it was anecdotally. But I am in Scotland and there was obviously more scepticism about Brexit up here anyway.

ArabeIIaScott · 15/08/2023 10:31

I can't see a single mention of farming on Labour's 'campaigns' page. Am I missing it?

https://labour.org.uk/issues/campaigns/

Secure our economy. Protect our NHS. Rebuild our country.

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https://labour.org.uk/issues/campaigns

ArabeIIaScott · 15/08/2023 10:40

Well, I searched Labour's website, and found nine mentions of 'farming'. The last one, in 2022 ,was a short speech at conference from Jim McMahon.

The rest are from 2020/2021.

Seems they've lost interest, if they ever had any.

I couldn't find a manifesto, so couldn't check to see what their agricultural policies are.

https://labour.org.uk/?s=farming

You searched for farming - The Labour Party

https://labour.org.uk/?s=farming

Scrowy · 15/08/2023 10:40

Trixiefirecracker · 15/08/2023 10:27

‘Food security is terrifying in this country’, does anyone stop to think why? So many years of Tory mismanagement and Brexit chaos and still all the farmers round here would still prefer to vote Tory as they want to protect their wealth. It’s crazy. I too have little sympathy as you reap what you sow. To say labour has no agricultural agenda is just not true.

How do you know that farmers in rural areas are voting tory to protect their wealth?

What about everyone else in rural areas?

Farmers are a very small percentage of the population even in rural areas. Rural areas as a whole tend to lean more towards the tory and lib dem parties and I think that is more about the perception that Labour is an urban party and absolutely clueless about farming and the countryside rather than any strong political leanings.

Farmers on the whole just want to be left alone to get on with farming.

eatsleepfarmrepeat · 15/08/2023 10:55

Eleganz · 15/08/2023 10:17

I want people to consider what is best for the country as a whole not just continually voting for a political party that acts in the vested interests of wealth and then complaining about how tough things are for you because of it.

I do want good food production. I don't think that needs me to have to humour a bunch of entitled tory-voting whingers though. Who said OP was a good farmer?

I think you’re one of the people I referred to in my earlier posts, you look at our life and it looks better than yours, we look as though we have more than you and so you’ve decided that agriculture is irrelevant.

But we’re making food, to feed people - why shouldn’t we be valued and receive a decent income for doing a job which literally prevents people from starving, because you’ve decided that farming was a fat and privileged industry 50 years ago and we all must drown as a consequence?

We are actually better off than the majority of farmers because we own, and because I get paid money to work in a professional role outside of agriculture but a lot of farming families don’t have any fallback, they are already on their arse.

Is it only ok for you to be struggling but no one else? I think if my husband were cycling past you on your way to the food bank you’d be fairly fucked in terms of food availability at the food bank.

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VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 15/08/2023 10:58

How are things for tenanted farmers?
your in the fortunate position (from the sounds of it) of owning your land.
how are things for tenants now the building changes for barns etc is rumbling about?

JohnofOxford · 15/08/2023 10:59

West and north of Oxford have schemes to cover a few thousand acres of high quality agricultural land in Solar panels. This is being encouraged and actively supported by the loony local Libs.
Energy is available from many sources. Yet so much land will be fenced off and taken out of food production for at least 20 years.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 15/08/2023 11:01

JohnofOxford · 15/08/2023 10:59

West and north of Oxford have schemes to cover a few thousand acres of high quality agricultural land in Solar panels. This is being encouraged and actively supported by the loony local Libs.
Energy is available from many sources. Yet so much land will be fenced off and taken out of food production for at least 20 years.

Why are we not insisting it goes on every roof that gets replaced? Either a green roof or solar. Canopies over car parks of solar panels.

whilst you can farm sheep between panels it’s not to any density. It’s madness

battery storage places will be the next one

Changetheuser · 15/08/2023 11:02

Does it really matter who farmers vote for? If we have no farmers we have no food. Perhaps we need to listen to them and their needs instead of party politics. Or have we become so far removed from the source of our food and food production people think farming is obsolete? That's a scary thought!

If labour have no policies around farming and agriculture then I can't say as I blame farmers for voting Tory!

Mysland · 15/08/2023 11:04

JohnofOxford · 15/08/2023 10:59

West and north of Oxford have schemes to cover a few thousand acres of high quality agricultural land in Solar panels. This is being encouraged and actively supported by the loony local Libs.
Energy is available from many sources. Yet so much land will be fenced off and taken out of food production for at least 20 years.

And meanwhile, is it mandatory now for all new houses or major refurbishments to instal solar panels or whatever? I don’t think so and Bet I could still buy a new house without these things built in.

ArabeIIaScott · 15/08/2023 11:04

I presume Labour do have a farming policy, its just that I can't find it on their website.