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Does training a dog involve leaving it to cry/howl/bark for long periods of time?

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SpeedbirdSquawker · 12/08/2023 13:19

I ask because I've had issues with my next door neighbour since I moved in a few years back. She then had a ten year dog who barks at seemingly nothing, for the littlest thing including the neighbour not showing the dog attention (she told me this is why the dog sometimes barks), sometimes for extended periods and usually there's not even a ten minute break between the dog making noise again. I've been round quite a few times and she always stops it for a while and then it starts again.

She also recently got a puppy. The noise has been horrendous and I've stopped working from home because of all the barking. It's impossible to do so.

I last went round last week and left it with her and although I've heard her shouting at the dogs when they bark or howl, there's not been anything else. I'm sick of hearing her and her dogs.

A few days ago I heard a dog trainer doing some work with the dogs in the yard. Hooray, I thought but since then the barking seems to have intensified and she's leaving the younger dog to cry, bark and howl today without intervening. I'm at the brink of a breakdown. I work very hard in a stressful job and want quiet at the weekend. Please can anyone tell me if leaving the dog to make noise for extended periods is part of dog training? I'm about to chase my council complaint and go round and tell her to shut the fuck up.

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drivinmecrazy · 12/08/2023 13:31

How long is the puppy barking for? I ask as I have a six month old who can randomly go into the garden and bark for five minutes (no amount of intervention works at the moment) but it feels like he's barking for hours.
I'm constantly worrying about our neighbours but it's inevitably made worse by one of the neighbours dogs answering him back.
Sympathies to you cos it drives me nuts 💐

drivinmecrazy · 12/08/2023 13:32

But no, we don't leave him to mark without intervention

Hmmmbetterchangethis · 12/08/2023 13:34

No, but there’s not much you can do, bar going to the council. Most people who own dogs, shouldn’t………

SpeedbirdSquawker · 12/08/2023 14:00

The puppy looks to be an atika or husky and we have tiny back gardens. They're not getting walked as far as I can tell.

I'm really at the end of my tether. I've just been sat reading at my kitchen table for an hour and there's not been a five minute break in-between howling or barking and this is what it's like. I can almost guarantee the dogs will be barking within a few minutes of me being home from a long day at work. I usually go out at weekend and put off coming home in the evenings as the dogs barking mean I can't read or watch TV without the sound of barking or howling in the background.

Definitely pursuing the council route now. It's obvious, despite my conversations with her, that she doesn't give a shite. She can keep them beautifully quiet though. She did for about a week in July and has in the past. She's just lazy and doped up much of the time.

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SpeedbirdSquawker · 12/08/2023 14:02

drivinmecrazy · 12/08/2023 13:31

How long is the puppy barking for? I ask as I have a six month old who can randomly go into the garden and bark for five minutes (no amount of intervention works at the moment) but it feels like he's barking for hours.
I'm constantly worrying about our neighbours but it's inevitably made worse by one of the neighbours dogs answering him back.
Sympathies to you cos it drives me nuts 💐

Oh no, can you bring him in if he barks? Maybe that will teach him that barking in these circumstances isn't allowed and he can't do fun things in the garden if he's barking for no reason.

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NotAMug · 12/08/2023 14:04

That is the absolute opposite of what you would do to train a dog to be ok on their own

SpeedbirdSquawker · 12/08/2023 14:08

NotAMug · 12/08/2023 14:04

That is the absolute opposite of what you would do to train a dog to be ok on their own

I'm glad to hear it because I feel that if I go round she might come back with that she's training them and to do that she needs to leave them to cry or howl or bark.

The last few hours have been relentless with the noise. I can't even relax and eat a meal in peace.

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SpeedbirdSquawker · 12/08/2023 14:11

She also doesn't seem to be training them as she just leaves them to make noise or says their name once. The older dog has never been trained in the twelve years so I don't hold out much hope.

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 12/08/2023 14:17

There's no such thing as Controlled Crying for huskies.

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 12/08/2023 14:20

No.

Huskies can be really, really loud though.

digthoseholes · 12/08/2023 14:26

With mine I would sometimes leave them to make noise if it was attention seeking as you need to ignore bad behaviour and reward good behaviour. That's only after making sure the dog isn't hungry thirsty or needs the loo.

I never left them to bark out in the garden and we live in a detached house so barking etc inside only affects us. If it was a semi detached or terraced I would have been trying to find a different solution

NotAMug · 12/08/2023 14:32

SpeedbirdSquawker · 12/08/2023 14:08

I'm glad to hear it because I feel that if I go round she might come back with that she's training them and to do that she needs to leave them to cry or howl or bark.

The last few hours have been relentless with the noise. I can't even relax and eat a meal in peace.

I have a similar breed and they can be so loud! I also have a small breed that had dreadful anxiety about being left, we had a trainer that specialised in separation anxiety, we were always taught to catch them before they started howling/barking and you can gradually increase the time. It works but takes work and patience. It must be so distressing for the poor dog. Huskies and similar breeds are well known for not being happy at being left alone so you do often need to put in the work when they are tiny.

Letting them cry it out is definitely not a thing for dogs!

GiddyUpH · 12/08/2023 14:37

Oh wow, that's not a breed to not walk.

SpeedbirdSquawker · 12/08/2023 14:42

They've gone quiet now but only because she left the dog to howl in the yard and my, it was loud and so distracting. I threw my chair back as i was trying to read unsuccessfully at the kitchen table and went outside to ask her to sort her dogs. She had gone in at that point but I knew that she knew I was there.

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Andthereyougo · 12/08/2023 14:43

I can’t see what a dog would learn from being left to howl and bark. Sounds like she was clueless with one dog so decided to be doubly clueless with a second.
You can contact your council to see who deals with noise nuisance, complain to her landlord if she rents.

SpeedbirdSquawker · 12/08/2023 14:45

The fuckwit even decided to take on a nightshift not so long ago knowing her dog would bark and cry non stop and it happened from 6pm til I finally ended up falling asleep around midnight. After two nights of that I put a stop to it. She just doesn't care.

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SpeedbirdSquawker · 12/08/2023 19:32

OK I've chased with the council. I just hope that the council will do something as although the dogs are barking all day, it's for a few minutes here, then five or ten minutes later they'll be off again for five minutes barking.

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10HailMarys · 12/08/2023 20:49

drivinmecrazy · 12/08/2023 13:31

How long is the puppy barking for? I ask as I have a six month old who can randomly go into the garden and bark for five minutes (no amount of intervention works at the moment) but it feels like he's barking for hours.
I'm constantly worrying about our neighbours but it's inevitably made worse by one of the neighbours dogs answering him back.
Sympathies to you cos it drives me nuts 💐

And you don’t bring the dog in when it barks like that? You just leave it barking for five minutes solid? Why? That’s really antisocial towards your neighbours. I grew up with dogs and if they didn’t stop barking on command when they were outside, we brought them in.

SpeedbirdSquawker · 14/08/2023 17:32

I desperately hope the council get in touch soon. I've been home for an hour and a half and the dogs have been barking and howling pretty much non stop since then.

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SpeedbirdSquawker · 14/08/2023 17:33

It's getting to me so much. I'm so sick of not being able to relax in my own home.

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FictionalCharacter · 14/08/2023 17:36

No. That isn’t training. She’s an idiot who should never have a dog.

SpeedbirdSquawker · 14/08/2023 17:48

FictionalCharacter · 14/08/2023 17:36

No. That isn’t training. She’s an idiot who should never have a dog.

I know but then she's just got another.

Do you think the council will do something?

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Greenvelvetdress · 14/08/2023 17:52

You can get devices that you put in your garden and they omit a high pitched noise that dogs hate but doesn't hurt them. You can get them on amazon, have a look.

SpeedbirdSquawker · 14/08/2023 18:21

I've just been round. I've been trying to work the last few hours and the dogs have been barking and howling every few minutes.

My neighbours mother was there and she denied that the dogs were a nuisance and barking at all and then in the next breath said that her daughter had just began training the dogs. If they're not causing a nuisance then why would they need training? Anyway, she denied they were barking until she was blue in the face. I have been logging the noise for the past few years though.

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