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Bereavement - doing the right thing

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Giraffeintheark · 10/08/2023 16:16

A group of us are friends, all in our late 40s/early 50s with uni aged kids. One of the husbands died suddenly this week. It’s devastating but however awful we feel, it pales into insignificance compare to what his family are going through. This is the first loss of a contemporary any of us have been through. How do we best support the family? They don’t have much of an extended family and we want to be able to help with whatever they need without smothering them. I’m very close to his wife but this is all new and I don’t want to put my foot in it. So what’s really, proper practical help we can offer and how? Any advice gratefully received. Thank you

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Dropthedonkey · 10/08/2023 16:36

I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. I think being there for his wife as the months go on is important, not just when it is all fresh. Give her options don't exclude her from invitations etc - though understand she might not want to join you.

Arightoldcarryabag · 10/08/2023 16:39

There's definitely no, one size fits all "solution".

It's important to take time to deal with the loss yourselves, it's great to recognise that you don't know quite how to support the family but I think making sure you are dealing with it will help with the support you can offer.

Beyond that, I can't offer much in the way of advice, others who have been through it often are better placed for that.

I'm so sorry for your loss, 40s/50s is absolutely no age so it's impossible to mentally prepare for something so awful. Take care of yourself.

CallieRose · 10/08/2023 16:41

Really sorry to hear about your friend's DH. Mine died this year, it's truly horrendous and she will need to have a good support network around her.

Cards, flowers etc are very personal - I loved them and was very grateful for everything sent. I particularly appreciated the cards which had personal messages about their memories of DH. However I know many widows hated them so you might have to follow her lead on that.

Making decisions is incredibly hard. She might want someone to run by decisions about the funeral etc. There's an awful lot to do, some of it (lots of it) she will have to do but she might want company while she's doing it.

Depending on her age, point her in the direction of Widowed and Young (WAY) - it's for people who have been Widowed before their 51st birthday. If that's not her, then there's an associated group called WAY UP I think. It costs £25 for the membership for the year - maybe you could gift it to her? It offers lots of support but crucially a network of people who have been through what she's experiencing, it's very supportive. There are local subgroups once you're a member where you can get in touch with others in your area.

Don't give generic "let me know if you need anything" type messages. People mean well but it just meant I had to think about how they might be able to help! Much preferred "I'd like to come and help you do X". Same with meeting up, still can't cope with it and prefer people to say "Shall we go for dinner? I can do next Saturday or the one after, do either of those work for you?"

I found my memory didn't work well, still doesn't. Be mindful of specific things which might be triggering (these are really personal) and give her an out if she doesn't want to do anything.

Generally just be kind and thoughtful. Don't be afraid to talk about her DH and tell her how sad you all are too whilst recognizing (as you absolutely already have) that her grief and that of her kids far outweighs it. Every now and then I'll get a glimpse of someone else's grief and I find it comforting that people still love and care about him.

Winston's Wish offers support for children up to 26 I think so that might be useful for her children.

There are a couple of podcasts - The Widowhood and Widowed AF are the 2 I tend to go to. If you have time, you might try and listen to a couple of episodes to help you understand how she's feeling a bit at the moment and in the future she might want to listen to them too, although it might be a bit soon at the moment.

I hope that helps a bit, and again, I'm very sorry for her loss. Her life has been flipped. It's shit. Try not to try and make her feel better about it. Let her be upset, her husband is dead, it's upsetting! Try not to look panicked when she talks about him or is upset.

I apologize if any of that sounded patronizing, to some people it's obvious but not to everyone!

clareykb · 10/08/2023 16:43

We have just had similar in our friendship group a few months ago although we are a bit younger (early 40s primary age kids) in think being there is important but not being ott. I know for my friend who was widowed she got sent tons of flowers like too many so we sent some nice snack food for her and the kids instead. I also think when u say "anything I can do to help" it is hard for the family to think of stuff so I have basically said things like "I'm off next Tuesday and would like to take u out if that's ok" or "we are going to the cinema next sat do u want me to take the kids so you can have some down time" as time has gone on I think this has been more welcome as life for others has gone back to normal after the funeral.

Musicaltheatremum · 10/08/2023 16:45

Food! Make meals that can be easily cooked as they won't be able to get their heads round it. Meet up for coffee. Take kids places for them. My kids were 19 and 17 when my husband died (not sudden) but food was great. Don't take flowers I had to buy more vases and the chap in Sainsbury's whilst buying the vases saying "smile it may never happen" was too much for me. I told him it already had happened... Not his fault but it was hard going out.
Do their ironing
Be there in 4 months time when everyone else who says "let me know if I can do anything" has gone
Don't say "let me know if I can do anything"
Say "I'm going shopping, can you give me a list of things you need"
I'm ironing today, give me your pile

Good luck and thanks for being her friend

Musicaltheatremum · 10/08/2023 16:46

Cross posted with others I see. All good advice

amicissimma · 10/08/2023 17:58

I recently had a not-very-expected bereavement.

I'm not sure how far along the family are will the process, but the admin was absolutely daunting, so I'll go from the beginning.

While I could hardly think, the widower couldn't think at all. The first problem was getting the death registered. There are all sorts of dire warnings about having to register it within 5 days. That turned out to be nonsense and a lot of people can't get the Certificate of Cause of Death from the doctor for weeks. For peace of mind we called the Registrar and then we knew they had been told. It's best to use the Registrar for the area where the death actually occured, even if that's different from the deceased's home. It's not essential, but it makes things easier. They may even have a form on their website to make the first contact, which you could offer to help fill out. The next thing is to get lots of Death Certificates - several people request originals and they're cheaper and easier to get at the time. 6-10 I would say, depending on the deceased's financial arrangements.

They would normally need to find a funeral parlour. IMO it's worth paying for them to sort things out at a time when decisions are hard. They can guide you and make suggestions to chew over. If the family haven't found one, if you can see if anyone locally can recommend one that would help. or offer to call around for somewhere you think they'll like. Does anyone want to see the deceased in his coffin?

If there's to be a funeral or cremation service a 'celebrant' (I don't think they're called that!) will need to be found. The funeral parlour can help. If the family are connected to a church, that can be very useful as the Vicar can guide and suggest. If you knew his taste in music or hymns (if appropriate) you could make suggestions. It's usual to write a eulogy - I couldn't think how to begin, but the widower wanted to do it. It's a good idea, if no one can bear it, to ask the celebrant to read the eulogy and any readings. They're usually OK if someone wants to read at the last minute. IME there is absolutely no way you can know how many people will come, so if organising a Wake, it's a good idea to use a place that can whistle up extra tea and cake at a moment's notice (pub, sports club, etc), and book for a smallish number first. We just ordered 100 Orders of Service, not minding if people had to share, or we had too many - the differential cost wasn't much.

The 'Tell us once' service actually works. You could offer to sit with them while they fill that out - they will need all sorts of numbers like his National Insurance, NHS, etc. There are various similar for non-government organisations, but nothing covers everything like the Government one does for all the State stuff. His employer or pension provider will need to be informed and any provision for his widow sorted out.

The finances may, or may not, be a nightmare. Any accounts in both names are fine; the balance goes to the survivor. Anything in just his name will be frozen. Someone needs to contact each organisation and inform them. Some are considerably more helpful than others, so if there several accounts with different organisations, a trusted friend making the original calls to the relevant bereavement department can be a help. The wife would have to be on hand to confirm that it's OK for them to speak to said friend, or possibly take over, but making the first contact can seem like a mighty hurdle. Even going through his affairs and making a list of organisations, account numbers and phone numbers can help. For small balances funds may be released to whoever is entitled to them quite quickly, possibly within days. For larger sums, generally over £20,000, depending a bit on each organisation, probate will be required. The first step here is to get a closing balance sent. And usually send a Death Certificate.

If there is a Will things will be much easier as if everything is left to the wife there is no inheritance tax to pay. But probate will still be needed for large sums. Who is the Executor? It can all be thrown at a solicitor to deal with, but that's not cheap. Would help to find a good/recommended solicitor help?

The main thing is to help them understand that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being mentally frozen. They haven't fallen apart because they can't make the slightest decision - it's a normal human reaction. Regular invitations to have a coffee, and get out of the house, then offers to help with some of the above, could, I would think, be welcome, even if you are refused over and over again. I think, just keep hovering in the background and take no offence if they don't want your help. Let them know the door is never closed.

Later, be prepared to let them say the same thing over and over again. You may feel you are not helping because they don't seem to move on. Just listening when they can't get past it is a help. It's common to feel you mustn't keep moaning to people. Let your friend know she can moan to you as much as she wants.

ThreeLittleDots · 10/08/2023 18:01

Please just simply and honestly ask them what you can do to help (and don't recoil in horror if your friend asks something you didn't expect, like mine did! She obviously only offered to be polite).

umbrellamirrorpotato · 10/08/2023 18:07

This is going to be a long process for her, be there for here when she needs to cry on the phone or if she wants company. Let her know she doesn’t have to answer the phone/text you back or answer the door. Let her know that you really mean it if she needs anything. I’ve been in the situation myself when I was in my 20’s and its a rollercoaster. It really means a lot to me when people acknowledge his birthday after all these years small things like that make me feel he isn’t forgotten. Grief is so personal and so different for everyone. Ultimately nothing you can say will comfort her but just knowing someone is there by your side really helps.

pepino · 10/08/2023 18:08

Some very good advice on here already. And thank you for trying to support the family, often in times of bereavement people just disappear...

I really appreciated when people brought me food. Cooking or eating were the last things on my mind at the time and having someone bring me something to eat was really nice.

Also, if they have young kids then maybe you could take them out for the day, or something like that?

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 10/08/2023 18:16

My experience is that for the first 2 weeks after a bereavement there are offers from everyone to help, then all the help and support disappears and lots of people go quiet because they don't know what to say and do, so choose to say and do nothing.

If there are kids then offers to help with school runs, taking them to an activity etc may be helpful. Kids react to grief differently to adults, especially young kids and they often want to keep things normal and do the stuff they always do, can seem quite disconnected and 'unfeeling' but that's not the case. Winstons Wish which is a child bereavement charity describe it as 'puddle jumping' where they have big feelings for a short time, then suddenly stop and want to be normal, then a few days later might be triggered to be upset for a bit again. Adults often experience more of a 'river' of grief where it's all encompassing and long lasting.

Food in the freezer is always helpful, as are offers of running the hoover round, or sorting the shopping. The type of jobs that need to be done but are hard to really care about when your brain is focussed on probate, wills, funeral arrangements, horrible conversations where you have to notify school, family, friends, colleagues of what has happened without breaking down or falling apart.

Giraffeintheark · 10/08/2023 18:32

Thanks to everyone who’s replied, some very detailed posts and so helpful. Special thank you to all of you who have been bereaved, it’s really generous of you to share your experiences. I’ll read thoroughly tonight but didn’t want to post and leave the thread. We’re so sad here, my husband who doesn’t cook much but has a couple of chicken dishes has spent the afternoon in the kitchen cooking them to take over tomorrow because, as he says ‘I just want to help x the way I’d want you to be helped if it was me’

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FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 10/08/2023 18:52

Giraffeintheark · 10/08/2023 18:32

Thanks to everyone who’s replied, some very detailed posts and so helpful. Special thank you to all of you who have been bereaved, it’s really generous of you to share your experiences. I’ll read thoroughly tonight but didn’t want to post and leave the thread. We’re so sad here, my husband who doesn’t cook much but has a couple of chicken dishes has spent the afternoon in the kitchen cooking them to take over tomorrow because, as he says ‘I just want to help x the way I’d want you to be helped if it was me’

Sorry just realised that kids are uni aged so a lot of my post is irrelevant.

One thing I would say is that in the near future your friend may be overwhelmed with offers and might turn a lot down. Keep making them.

She may not be interested in going for a meal or doing a social activity for a bit but 6 months from now, when her kids are at uni, her feelings have settled a little, the many offers have dwindled and she's feeling more herself but also more alone, that's when having people still care enough to ask her to attend an event will be the most helpful,

Musicaltheatremum · 10/08/2023 18:56

Giraffeintheark · 10/08/2023 18:32

Thanks to everyone who’s replied, some very detailed posts and so helpful. Special thank you to all of you who have been bereaved, it’s really generous of you to share your experiences. I’ll read thoroughly tonight but didn’t want to post and leave the thread. We’re so sad here, my husband who doesn’t cook much but has a couple of chicken dishes has spent the afternoon in the kitchen cooking them to take over tomorrow because, as he says ‘I just want to help x the way I’d want you to be helped if it was me’

Your husband's actions have just made me cry. So thoughtful Xxx I think all the husband's/partners will be really affected about losing a male friend in a totally different way to the ladies. Hugs all round

VimtoPassion · 10/08/2023 19:00

This happened to me (I was the bereaved wife in my 50s).

I have to say all "our" couple friends were very disappointing, after the first few weeks and I'm barely in touch with them 2 years on. I don't know if it was too uncomfortable to be reminded how fragile their happy lives are or whether it's just that I don't fit in their cosy coupledom anymore, but they were arranging things without me within a few weeks. One of the women has tried to be a genuine friend but even she is so busy with her couple life that no longer includes me that I don't see much of her. And tbh the way they behaved early on hurt me badly so I don't particularly want to see them anyway.

Anyway the friendships that meant most to me, made the most difference at that time, were:

-the woman who kept taking me out for a run. We could talk or not, but she just kept coming, keeping me active, getting me out of the house and just being "there".

  • the woman who included me in social events with her single friends creating me a whole new social group
  • the man who invited me on a numbers restricted social thing (at the end of covid) just to show me there were people who care.

Lots of people said "you know where we are" and I never heard from them again, possibly not wanting to intrude. Don't do that.

Realistically, your "group" has changed dramatically though. If you want to maintain the friendship, you'll have to find a way to do it that isn't all couples. Life is made for even numbers. E.g. Even if I was invited on a trip now, I have to pay for a double room or find a friend to join me.

bringthecactusin · 10/08/2023 20:36

Musicaltheatremum · 10/08/2023 16:45

Food! Make meals that can be easily cooked as they won't be able to get their heads round it. Meet up for coffee. Take kids places for them. My kids were 19 and 17 when my husband died (not sudden) but food was great. Don't take flowers I had to buy more vases and the chap in Sainsbury's whilst buying the vases saying "smile it may never happen" was too much for me. I told him it already had happened... Not his fault but it was hard going out.
Do their ironing
Be there in 4 months time when everyone else who says "let me know if I can do anything" has gone
Don't say "let me know if I can do anything"
Say "I'm going shopping, can you give me a list of things you need"
I'm ironing today, give me your pile

Good luck and thanks for being her friend

Yep. Food. People think they'll be ok, but they get caught up with stuff and go without. If there's a homemade meal there ready in the fridge it's easy to just throw it in the microwave.

At my church we have something called "Mums meals" (it's evolved, no longer just for Mums!) and for 2 weeks after an event, such as giving birth, a big operation, a bereavement, you'll get someone delivering you a hot meal at 6pm every night. If you can't cope with daily deliveries, then we'll deliver a few days worth in one go for you to freeze. You don't have to chat to us, it's literally a door step delivery. You get a hot meal for however many are in your household, and dessert too.

It's good to have proper meals when you don't feel like cooking or just can't face it, and it's nice to know someone cares, even if you've never met them and don't know them.

BreadInCaptivity · 10/08/2023 21:05

The best advice as gleaned from my friend who lost her DH was be there for the longer term.

She said so many people just dropped off the radar after the funeral and many offers of help dried up.

Ironically that was when she felt the most alone.

Time spent doing admin and funeral planning meant her grief didn't really kick in until later, so whilst early offers of help/food etc were great - when she really needed that support it had massively tailed off.

I was one of the few that stuck around. Often just small things made a difference like offering to sit with her (with a glass of wine) on significant dates (like his birthday, wedding anniversary etc) so I'd make sure you keep a note of those dates in your diary and as a friendship group make sure one of you is able to offer to be with her if she wants company (she may not, but the offer and knowledge the date has been recognised is important in itself).

Offer to help sort out his belongings when she is ready (wait for her to bring the subject up though). This can be a very difficult and will likely need to be done over several sessions.

Make sure she stays on the social radar, but be sensitive. Don't assume she won't want to socialise but being at couples only events will be hard - so arrange a meal out with female friends or a night at someone's home (just the wives).

In her situation her DH had started a few diy jobs and not finished them before he died unexpectedly (nothing major - think painting a room and finishing tiling an en-suite) and this was a very visceral reminder.

I and another friend took her out of the day whilst other friends and DH's finished up the work (with her permission - do not do surprises). It meant a lot to her.

Each situation is unique but I think the biggest message is to remember grieving is a long process and a good friend is the for the long haul.

Sapphire387 · 10/08/2023 21:09

I was widowed a few years ago, now remarried.

It is a lifelong loss. Not saying your friend will be in deep grief forever, but it takes a LONG time, things don't go back to anything approaching normality for years, often. So I echo those who say be there for the long term. And be specific in your offers. And never presume you know how she feels (not saying you would do this, but a lot of people did it to me, and they meant well but it was difficult).

wannabetraveler · 10/08/2023 21:13

My friend was widowed a few years ago with three young children. What was helpful to her was the concrete offers of help - less of the "what can I do?" questions which shifted the burden to her, to think about what she needed, and more of the "I'm going to pick up groceries for you on Friday" or "Can I take the kids to the movies on Saturday?"

Loversonthesun · 10/08/2023 21:16

My mum was widowed young and she said the best thing was when one of her friends would call her and say, 'right get yourself to X cafe at 12pm and we're having lunch. Won't take no for answer.' Maybe doesn't suit everyone but worked for her.

HolidayHappy123 · 10/08/2023 21:16

Worth setting up a meal rota on takethemameal.com.

Proudmum17 · 10/08/2023 21:19

Practical help. Take around food, get a rota so someone is taking something everyday. Offer to pick kids up from Uni. Just be there. Don't offer then disappear waiting for them to ask they won't

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