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a neighbours and cats one

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stressedoutstudent · 04/08/2023 13:59

This is quite long for how petty an issue this is, but im trying to give all the context!

I live in a maisonette. Its above a small parade of shops. There are stairs at the side of one of the shops that leads up to a pathway where there are 12 separate properties. Each property has a walled off yard area thats a decent size with a garden gate to the walkway. They all have their own front door and are standard 2 floor homes. Basically, they are terraced houses, but up a flight of stairs, theres no locked entry way, post and delivery workers just walk up the stairs to the front door of each property. The walk way and stairway are council managed. On my rent each week there is a £8 charge, which is divided between "grounds maintenance" "estate care taking" and "communal cleaning charge".

When i moved in about 6 months ago now, the front yard had been being used by a local cat as its litter tray. It was disgusting. We cleaned it out but the cat returned for a while. I ended up spray citrus scent everywhere and "scaring" off the cat when it appeared. Eventually it stopped visiting. Instead, it has taken to using the walk way.

For clarity i have a cat too, but an indoor cat, he is 13 years old and has always been an indoor cat. I know specifically which neighbours cat it is - one 3 doors down. However it has chosen the space out side my next door neighbours property. A space i never go to as its the opposite direction down the pathway to the stairs.

The council are refusing to clean it up. So my next door neighbour has come to the conclusion its my responsibility to clean it up. Initially this was because it "was my cats mess as she had seen it in the window and it wasnt a problem until we moved in". Then when i pointed out actually no, its not my cat, he stays in side, its the neighbours 3 doors down who used to use my yard area, she has now decided its still my responsibility as i forced the cat out of the area it was using prior onto the communal walkway. The owner of the cat is physically disabled (according to the next door neighbour, ive never met hem just seen the guilty cat in their windows) and cant come and clear it themselves. So the neighbour is adamant its on me to clean up.

I dont want to clean up after another persons cat when its not even on my property, its outside someone elses and i pay the associated fees of living in a property with a communal area for stuff like that to be done. Im busy, i work 13 hours shifts 4 times a week, im studying for me MSc, im a single mum of 3, my own huse up keep is stressful enough without adding someone elses. If the owner of the cat is incapable of doing it, then surely it falls on my next door neighbour if the council are refusing to clean it? Not me? But i also dont want to be in an argument with next door neighbours who have lived there for 30+ years when i have only recently moved it.

Would you suck it up and do it occasionally, say once a week to keep the peace amongst neighbours. Or tell them not my cat, not my walk way, not my problem?

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BarnacleBeasley · 04/08/2023 14:07

It's not your responsibility, but the most practical thing to do might be to just help your neighbours do all the things you did to discourage the cat from using your garden in the first place - if you've still got some of the citrus spray, and you and neighbour could both scare it away when you see it? The cat will find somewhere else, but it's not likely to be somewhere else where the neighbour blames you!

stressedoutstudent · 04/08/2023 14:16

I could buy more spray, it cost about £20 off amazon though which i do begrudge paying again, but i cant actively scare it off from there as i cant see the walkway from my property, the yard area is walled.

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Womblegreen · 04/08/2023 14:17

I wouldn’t, once you start it’s harder to say no, it’s not your responsibility. If you were feeling generous you could tell your neighbour how you discouraged the cat from using the other area.

GrumpyPanda · 04/08/2023 14:21

Don't pay for spray, but you could give your neighbour the info. But really, the cat's owner should be paying somebody for cleanup.

Gymmum82 · 04/08/2023 14:29

I’d say not my cat not my problem. But I would give them the info of the citrus spray and maybe buy them a water pistol to scare it off. It’s the responsibility of the disabled neighbour. They need to pay someone to clean it up

LastChanceForIt · 04/08/2023 14:31

stressedoutstudent · 04/08/2023 14:16

I could buy more spray, it cost about £20 off amazon though which i do begrudge paying again, but i cant actively scare it off from there as i cant see the walkway from my property, the yard area is walled.

@stressedoutstudent what is the spray ? I have a terrible issue with cats ruining my garden with their poo and need to get rid of them

BarnacleBeasley · 04/08/2023 14:33

Oh in that case, if you don't have any more spray and can't see the cat, then no need to try and help just to show willing, but def tell them what you did and what product worked.

pictoosh · 04/08/2023 14:35

Gymmum82 · 04/08/2023 14:29

I’d say not my cat not my problem. But I would give them the info of the citrus spray and maybe buy them a water pistol to scare it off. It’s the responsibility of the disabled neighbour. They need to pay someone to clean it up

This. I wouldn't have someone lump this responsibility on me. I'd be quite flippant about it too..."What? No - away you go"

You had to deter the cat, now so too does she. It's nothing to do with you.

stressedoutstudent · 04/08/2023 14:35

LastChanceForIt · 04/08/2023 14:31

@stressedoutstudent what is the spray ? I have a terrible issue with cats ruining my garden with their poo and need to get rid of them

It was called kinderpet eco cat repellent, it was expensive and i had to spray every day for a good week along with shouting like a loon everything i saw it but eventually it worked. I was spraying onto walls and concrete not grass though. Good luck! I love cats, but as i said mine is indoor and i clean up after him, hes not roaming the streets using other peoples private property

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msbevvy · 04/08/2023 14:44

I don't understand how the council can refuse to clean it up if it is in the concrete communal walkway. It is a health hazard.
I would try.contacting environmental health if the housing department aren't sorting this.

stressedoutstudent · 04/08/2023 14:47

msbevvy · 04/08/2023 14:44

I don't understand how the council can refuse to clean it up if it is in the concrete communal walkway. It is a health hazard.
I would try.contacting environmental health if the housing department aren't sorting this.

I dont understand this either, again though, this is coming from the neighbour as i work the day the cleaning company is apparently here. Im planning to try and contact them about it and get clarification as i would assume the fact that every property is paying the £8 a week, they should actually be cleaning the area when here regardless of what it is that needs cleaning.

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caringcarer · 04/08/2023 15:00

Most cats prefer soil not concrete to do their business. Is there no soil around the area you live? I don't see what you can do now because you stopped the cat from using its regular area and the cat might have been using that area for many years. Whatever you say or do you will be perceived as the new neighbour who arrived and caused an upset. I would not approach the disabled neighbour. Maybe just keep out of all of your neighbours way. Cats are permitted to do their business outside, just most will choose soil not concrete. You could ring council and ask how frequently they clean these areas? Do they pressure wash it down? If they are refusing to clean could you tell them you withhold cleaning money?

stressedoutstudent · 04/08/2023 15:08

caringcarer · 04/08/2023 15:00

Most cats prefer soil not concrete to do their business. Is there no soil around the area you live? I don't see what you can do now because you stopped the cat from using its regular area and the cat might have been using that area for many years. Whatever you say or do you will be perceived as the new neighbour who arrived and caused an upset. I would not approach the disabled neighbour. Maybe just keep out of all of your neighbours way. Cats are permitted to do their business outside, just most will choose soil not concrete. You could ring council and ask how frequently they clean these areas? Do they pressure wash it down? If they are refusing to clean could you tell them you withhold cleaning money?

No, all the yard areas are concreted, some have fake grass down or pots with plants in. The bottom of the stairs is a busy road, carparking areas, and the shops. Theres no garden areas other than houses that are across the main road or further down the main road. From what i have seen, the cat doesnt venture down the stairs much as its quite busy.

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stressedoutstudent · 04/08/2023 15:11

I also dont want to withhold any rent or service charges. I am on a starter tenancy at the minute, it turns into an secured life time tenancy after 12 months, but for now it isnt. It took 3.5 years to get secure housing for my children, i really dont want to rock that boat as having a secured tenancy is life changing for us.

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Nopenott0day · 04/08/2023 19:26

Tell her to go and pester the person who's cat is actually making the mess.

cocoloco117 · 04/08/2023 20:18

You had a problem, you were proactive, cleaned up the initial mess on your property and discouraged the cat from returning. Your neighbour now needs to do the same. The fact that it’s chosen their path to shit on is not your fault, your problem, or your concern. Don’t offer any help, let them sort it out, as you did previously.

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