Do you think that this country will have a working class PM?

[EddyF]

Do you think it’s possible and likely? someone who has gone to a bog-standard school; rented or grow up in council stock, or just someone who has lead a ordinary life like the majority in the U.K?

I don’t understand how people can only vote for the elite despite what the ordinary man and woman goes through in this country. The problems aren’t new with the NHS/benefit system/classism/immigration/no funding for society to actually run effectively. But they keep being voted in. Why? Twice this week people have told me they would rather vote Tories again as long as its not Labour. One with MH and can't get the proper help and the other one who is still working at senior age.

These issues haven’t just started and have been a sore point for a long time under the tories. Which begs the question, why do people vote for them? What vetted interest would the ordinary person have to vote the same party all of the time? It can’t just be about immigration ( what have the tories sorted out effectively regarding immagration?). I am not white but I have worked with white working class service users with very little in life but follow the rhetoric of the conservatives. Knowing damn well they will never reach the lifestyle of the party they're voting.

How did The Sun manage to get a large number of their readership to vote for tories? time and time again. First time might make sense as people desire change, but over and over again? Even if it is about immigration, don’t they have children and families who they can see struggle with these policies?

I get why businesses may vote the way they do, but the people in this country confuse me. Why not vote Conservative and if you're not happy with them in the next election, you don't touch them? why stick with them?

I was born in the U.K. My primary education was in France and we lived in the USA for some time. All childhood holidays in Africa mainly. With all of the faults with the American system (especially for non-white people/margainlised groups), it is more fluid in getting yourself out of poverty/access to social mobility.

All my International friends from Africa to the US are doing better than me, despite us all studying/holding same qualifications. It feels impossible buying a property here despite earning on paper a very decent salary and being a professional. My friends/family abroad all seem to own/build even if they earn less/same.

Once you're paying approx 2K in rent in London (yes you can move out but most people have family/work/community built there),how can you save for a significant deposit with rent, bills, car-note etc? wouldn't most government/policy makers want to help the youth in prosperity since the western world have essentially the systems to make a society less unfair/workable?

I am not saying everyone is poor in this country. It's just a lot of people are suffering needlessly due to mismanagementof the country where only a smaller number get to enjoy life like how it should be.

I actually think it's better to abstain voting than voting the same people/party that have communicated verbally and non-verbally that they do not give a fuck.

Well he is now but it’s not Sunak’s family who had the wealth

Fair point. Sunak's family were pharmacists. They did make enough to send him to Westminster though, and he made £20m as a hedgie.

@SusiePevensie , Sunak is an Old Wykhamist

Wykehamist. Sorry for the typo. I think he went to Winchester College on a scholarship, but not sure. His background is MC.

They did send him to a public school, I thought he had a scholarship? Still maybe it wasn’t much off, no idea

That’s fairly MC though as a route. He’s then used it to earn more, granted. But it’s the money from a company in India not from his family that is the big one

I can't find logic in whatever OP is saying. Something about resentment.

Sunak didn't get a scholarship at Winchester they paid full fees. His parents also gave him £100,000 to buy his first flat in London. The flat cost about £275,000 in the early 2000's.

"They did make enough to send him to Westminster though"

Presumably they made enough to send his siblings privately too.

Apologies Sunak's parents gave him £100,000 as a deposit on his first flat which was bought for £210,000.

I didn’t know anything about his siblings so googled

Following his family’s medical footsteps, Sanjay is a doctor in psychology, while Raakhi works in New York as chief of strategy and planning at the United Nations global fund for education in emergencies.

If Rishi hadn’t married into wealth his background is MC but not that unusual for parents invested in education as I assume his were

I am looking forward to seeing the back of this jerk at the next election.

His advice this week to a man with three children and a 35year mortgage was to extend the length of his mortgage. The man's mortgage had gone up by £800 per month.

Gordon Brown isn't working class. He's what we call "Scottish". Not the same thing at all, but a mistake often made on Mumsnet. Cf. "Northern", "Liverpudlian" and " South London (prn Sarf Lunnen)

Rishi Sunak's parents were first generation immigrants, with professional qualifications, but not much money. He married into a wealthy family, but his parents were clever enough to earn enough to pay his school fees at Winchester, and he was sufficiently outstanding to be head of school. That puts his ability level several levels above most people, because Winchester is hugely selective of the 13 year olds it takes.

Why does Rishi need "working class" friends, seriously? He is the Prime Minister. Do you really expect his advisors to be plumbers? What do most plumbers have to contribute to discussions on foreign relations? Or electricians? Economists, yes. Jurists, obviously. Medics, clearly. People making decisions on behalf of a country with a population of roughly 67m people need to focus on a big picture.

What should it be out of interest?

The gov will pay some for you?

Frankly, why would the state pay to fund a benefit that was your private benefit? Possibly a contribution, on grounds of social stability to prevent you becoming homeless. In the short term, so you have a window to repair the damage. But never to fund your mortgage on a property that the state doesn't control.

The answer is 5 more years of the Tories. Look what they have done in the last 13 years , we need more of that.

@Daydreamings I get your point, and I even agree that some of the decisions made have been daft, even delusional. But, given that there is no real scope for lavish social spending right now, my priority for any incoming government is that spending is targeted on rebuilding the economy for the future. That might mean that SEN have to take a back seat for a while.

What should it be out of interest?

The gov will pay some for you?

Perhaps they should have managed the economy appropriatelyso that productivity and salaries hadn't flatlined for 15 years, imposed punitive levels of tax to keep services vaguely functioning given their economic mismanagement meant also no real terms growth in tax receipts without huge rises in the percentage of income paid in tax, and further deliberately screwed the economy through Brexit, so that when interest rates rose their population was no flying by the seat of its pants already and had some scope within their salaries not to be completely impoverished by the higher cost of living,

Just off the top of my head. But clearly these high calibre masterminds we have as MPs know better, and have some kind of genius plan that I'm just not clever enough to comprehend yet.

What? So it's disabled kids that you think should bear the consequences of what these fuckwits have done?

Sounds fair. 🙄

@EffortlessDesmond SEN?

SEN = special educational needs. I.e. children with disabilities.

No idea why they should be the ones to suffer for this mess. 😒

Not my intention to balance the books at the cost of SEN. But to enhance the economy so that there's more in the pie to fund them.