Is jumping the same as diving?

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We are posting members at a country club.
Sounds posher than it is. We have two kids that are also members. Age 9 and 11. The only things the kids can do is use the pool between 11&4 and the occasional kids sports class on a weekend.
I took them swimming today. It was full of old people and one other family. My son went to climb out the pool and before he had even got out a man in the lane next to him told him 'no diving. There's a sign.'. my son want going to drive but was going to jump in but he got back in and told me. Some time later he got out and jumped in. The man told him off and said no jumping.
I went over and politely pointed out the sign was no diving due to the depth ofthe pool. He was adamant that diving in jumping with the same. Explain that it was a school holidays. It was during family time and at the children paid their membership and if they wanted to jump they would. They already jumped in a couple of times and if they say continue to do it and we're annoying people I would have stopped them. Was I being unreasonable?

Personally I think it’s pretty antisocial to let children jump into a pool where other people are swimming, and my gym pool prohibits jumping because it’s a) antisocial and b) risks injuring other pool users if they’re not seen and accidentally jumped on. “Family time” doesn’t mean using the pool as a playground. Just ask the club to clarify the rules for you, so you know for the future.

I'd consider jumping in and diving to be the same if I was there to have a quiet swim. So whilst it's a bit pedantic I can see why there was a problem if your son was jumping in.

However I wouldn't have a problem with kids jumping in either. It's their holiday too.

Not the same. As long as they aren't jumping near people, then I don't see the problem.

No they're different and it wouldn't bother me

Diving is more of a risk due to head injury, but I wouldn't permit my children to annoy other people by jumping, on this occasion, especially if it's not a big pool

The pool needs to clarify what sessions are children welcome to swim and what sessions are play sessions.

Older members then need to chose whether they wish to swim in the play sessions or wait for adult only sessions.

I would clarify the rules with the club but usually no diving rules are because a pool is too shallow for diving safely but no danger for jumping, but the rules might be because they don't want other swimmers bothered, so double check first.

It's not the same thing (jumping = feet first, diving = head first) but in this situation I would have asked the lifeguard rather then argue over semantics.

Not the same at all.

No diving is because you can't go headfirst into water that isn't deep enough. Going feet first is obviously fine. I would have told the man to do one.

They already jumped in a couple of times and if they say continue to do it and we're annoying people I would have stopped them.

Well, they were clearly annoying him but you didn't stop them. And if the pool was full, as you said it was, it's antisocial and dangerous to be jumping in.

I did say ' full' off old people which was and exaggeration. There was me and my two, a mum and child in the 'family area' an older lady who was swimming. Then there was the gentleman who was complaining in one lane with another elderly man. And two ladies walking up and down the other lane.
They hadn't jumped in at all before he told my son that diving was not allowed. He was just getting out and got told not to. I did then allow them to jump in after the lady who was swimming had got out and two other families had joined us and we're letting their children jump in.

My small local members pool is virtually unusable during holidays because people let hordes of their precious children jump, dive, splash, scream and shout to their hearts' content, despite signs saying to not jump or dive. My sympathy is with all the "old people" 🙄

I know it's not Reddit but ESH. Your kids are old enough to be considerate of other pool users. The other members should be accommodating to children being children, especially in school holiday time.

Speak to the staff and ask if there are any sessions scheduled as family swim or fun sessions. If there are not take them to the local leisure centre where there are such sessions and save yourself some money.

It's not the same thing, however I'd encourage your son to jump away from other people.

Did he jump into the lane swimming area? If so, that is really rude.

No! He jumped from there side of the family swim area. You couldn't get further away from the lanes. When he first went to get out he was doing it from the end next to the lane. But he didn't jump in then.

How terrible and extraordinary that children want to enjoy themselves in the school holidays.

Why don't you suggest some adult only/lane swimming sessions and go then?

Any of the pools around here would consider no diving to mean no jumping. Its the impact of the velocity of the water movement as well as the depth of the pool issue.

Ask yourself why they ban diving. Most of those will be the same reasons why jumping is the "same thing", even if they are technically different.
Splashing (jumping worse than diving).
The risk of hitting someone else using the pool.
People walking very close to the border also risk slipping up.

Lots of children jumping or diving into the pool becomes very noisy, and fairly unpleasant for the pool users, but can also pose a risk for the children.

I would suggest a place that caters specifically for children.

It is possible for children and adults to enjoy themselves together. It is not a bad idea for children to learn how to enjoy themselves around adults.

Definitely different and I would have had the same reaction as you. As long as they are able to jump in without splashing others then they have every right to enjoy the pool within the family friendly times.

Wow, you sound charming.

Kids dive bombing the pool while elderly people are trying to swim is extremely rude and anti-social.

Just more of this me me me me who gives a fuck about others selfishness and entitlement that's so prevalent nowadays.

OP, why are you raising your children to think their wants should always come first, and that they should never show consideration to others?

If there is a family area and kids are permitted at set times, I'd say you did nothing wrong. Kids jump in pools. Kids play around, splash and are noisy. If something is advertised as 'family' anything, you can almost guarantee that kids will be playing. It's just what they do.

If he chose to swim in a) an area for families and b) at times when kids are allowed in, then he's pretty daft to assume he'll be able to swim in peace.

I love swimming and only book in times when kids are not permitted for this very reason.

Ex swimming teacher. Jumping and diving are different as you present a smaller point contact when diving (correctly), so you are more likely to go deeper. Hence limitation on diving depending on depth.

Jumping in is a great thing for kids to practice. Get.yoir child to jump with legs straddled and bring them together when they hit the water - essential lifesaving skills!

People are always hard on kids having a good time. If it's in the family time and your kids pay a membership then I'd say you were fine. If adults do not like it they can always go out with family time!