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Genuine question, if stereotypes are not true then why do stereotypes exist in the first place?

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gettingoldisshit · 31/07/2023 13:45

Firstly i am definitely not being goady or trying to start an argument about certain people in the community. However I keep thinking about this. I work a lot with a certain community ( im not saying who because I don't want to start a pile on) and in my experience the stereotype of them is very very accurate. Obviously there is the exception to this but in general its very accurate. Its got me wondering where stereotypes come from if they are not a true reflection? I can't really comment on other communities/people because I don't have enough interaction with them to make a judgement.

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gettingoldisshit · 31/07/2023 15:50

Thank you for all your posts, its such a fascinating subject to me. I hadn't considered so many of these reasons!

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gettingoldisshit · 31/07/2023 15:50

SkylarSpirit · 31/07/2023 15:42

To justify oppression by demonising people, and making people think it's okay to hurt and exploit them.

I did an undergraduate degree in anthropology, and one of the things you first study in anthropology is how anthropology was originally used to justify racism and slavery.

There's a very famous anthropology book where a scientist measured the heads of lots of different people of different races, and wrote a book stating that science (ie head measuring) proved that black people are less intelligent than white people, so white people have to be in charge to protect black people from themselves.

Black bodies were of tremendous financial value as free labour (slave trade), but most people are at least a little bit innately uncomfortable with the idea of kidnapping people (and kidnapping children), repeatedly physically brutalising them, forcing them to do hard manual labour, and killing them if they resist.

But companies and people stood to make huge amounts of money from slaves this obviously was a problem that had to be fixed, so a huge amount of work was done (via propaganda, pamphlets, books, so-called "science", and mainstream media and entertainment such as minstrel shows) to portray black people as violent, angry, animalistic, and stupid. Because if all you ever see or hear is that black people are violent dumb animals, you don't have the same emotional reaction to seeing a black child whipped that you would a white child being whipped.

And then confirmation bias kicks in. If you've been kidnapped, had your kids stolen, been whipped every day, then of course you're going to be angry. Every single slave who lashed out violently was used to further the myth that black people are inherently violent and angry, and therefore need white people controlling them, to keep their naturally violent nature in check.

Generations of black slaves had no access to education, and again this created a situation where their circumstances reinforced stereotypes that black people are less intelligent.

All so people could make money off of black bodies.

(Clearly that is a massive, massive oversimplification. But it's important for people to realise that money and capitalism plays a huge role in how and why people create and push stereotypes, and how many stereotypes came about originally from very deliberate, planned and organised propaganda campaigns.)

It's the exact same thing with Jews. The history of antisemitism is rooted in money. In the Middle Ages, Christians weren't allowed to be money lenders, so that job often fell to Jews, or Jews were actively forced into those jobs. That resulted in a situation where lots of Christians (who were the powerful majority) owed Jews (a powerless minority) money, and obviously they didn't want to pay, so it was in their own financial interest to invent lies and slander about the people they owed money to to justify not paying the debts they owed. Instead of paying their debts they started to call the Jewish people they owed money to money-obsessed and money-hoarding, which are stereotypes that exist to this day.

And then Jewish people all over Europe were expelled from their homes, there were genocides and mass expulsions, and violent oppression. Many Jewish people became refugees. So Jews started keeping their money in gold rather than in banks, so it would be portable and something they could use in any country. (This is true of my own family to this day.) Jewish people who were owed money insisted those debts be paid. And so the stereotype of Jews being money-hoarding was reinforced.

After WWI, Germany was broke and people were starving (due to the harsh penalties forced on Germany in the Treaty of Versailles). How did the German government react to the fact they couldn't afford to feed their own citizens, due to the fact they lost all their money fighting a failed war? Did they take responsibility for their own actions? Did they blame the countries that signed the Treaty of Versailles? No, they blamed it all on Jews living in Germany, and that led directly to WWII and the Holocaust.

And then many Jews all over Europe wound up as refugees, having fled or survived the Holocaust, so there was a huge movement to give Jewish people their own country (which was pushed mainly from European countries wanting to get rid of Jews), which led to the creation of Israel, and that obviously has not exactly ended well.

The exact same thing with women. For centuries men have tried to paint women as hysterical, as weak, because we have what they want (basically, vaginas, and the capacity to have babies). Most of the stereotypes around women were created by men as an excuse to control us.

This is very enlightening, thank you.

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pontipinemum · 31/07/2023 15:51

I think there tends to be a certain amount of truth to stereotypes. You're right otherwise there wouldn't be stereotypes.

Irish people love to drink and have the craic - a lot do! I used to drink a lot but now hardly ever drink, but still up for the craic anytime. Is it the only significant thing about Ireland, absolutely not.

Germans are often very precise, I haven't met too many to be fair so my sample size is small but the ones I've met and even lived with, yes were very precise, apart from one he was a lazy git! I also deal with a lot in a business capacity and they are punctual. Are all Germans like that, I highly doubt it.

Younger people, less likely to want a committed relationship long term for life. All of them, no, but many yes.

The list goes on. I think the important part is not to let the stereotype judge how you treat someone.

Yea2023 · 31/07/2023 15:52

@SkylarSpirit excellent post!

ManateeFair · 31/07/2023 15:57

Stereotypes are a blunt instrument which tend to be used to beat people over the head with.

You will always be able to find people who absolute conform to a stereotype in some respects, but that doesn't mean that is all there is to them, and it doesn't mean that everyone else within that group also conforms to that stereotype. Also, look up confirmation bias. When you expect something to be the case, you will be subconsciously looking for it everywhere while discounting the evidence to the contrary.

I also think it's worth remembering that it's very easy to say 'Most people I meet within this group conform to stereotype and therefore stereotypes are true' when you are not actually part of that group yourself. You would, I suspect, find it harder to swallow if the same were applied to you.

If you feel that there's a grain of truth in a negative stereotype about one group of people, you must then also accept that negative stereotypes about you must also be rooted in truth, and agree that it is acceptable for people to judge you on the basis of that stereotype. Imagine someone assuming you were weak, hysterical and subservient just because you're a woman, and you having to accept that this was somehow reasonable because in your eyes, stereotypes emerge from truth.

waterlego · 31/07/2023 16:06

The English are tea-obsessed, uptight, emotionless, bad-toothed, dog-loving eccentrics

This is actually me, to be fair.

SuePine69 · 02/08/2023 09:41

waterlego · 31/07/2023 16:06

The English are tea-obsessed, uptight, emotionless, bad-toothed, dog-loving eccentrics

This is actually me, to be fair.

I can imagine a French person saying that they don't want to go to London because the English drink too much, are sexually repressed and it is always raining. They might want to go to Dublin instead but these things are even more true of the Irish than of the English. Yet they wouldn't want to say that.

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