To think the Greek wildfires

[YetiTeri]

Are a little bit more inconvenient than a group of people slow walking in the road? But that's climate change for you, take the inconvenience of a protest and multiply it by 100, 1000.

What we'll be living in in 2050 is almost unfathomable.

It's Europe, it gets hot, always has, always will.

Well according to @BreehyHinnyBrinnyHoohyHah you need to join her in targeting the people in power.

Looking forward to seeing you both at the next yacht vandalism.

We need an actual bingo card of this: bingobaker.com/view/2488063

If JSO really wanted to make a difference, they would be camped outside Westminster targeting the MPs. They would be blocking refineries. Camping outside the properties of the billionaires who fly by private jet everywhere. Then the public would probably support them

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/who-are-just-stop-oil-protest-group-fossil-fuels-b991963.html

They do all those things. They have tried to get into Downing Street. They have blocked refineries. They target fossil fuel companies.

They don't just do slow-walks on roads.

This is correct. Multiple foreign nationals have been caught attempting to start them with petrol. Been in the local papers.

I've noticed this with other forest fires in different parts of the world: Sydney 2018 and california, and now rhodes. Arson gets blamed.

Surely there would be huge public and media outcry when the arsonists are bought to trail. But that never seems to happen.

I believe that is anti-climate change proganda. Interesting that the local papers say foreigners did it.

I find the emissions coming from China USA and India depressing.
Until they start to cut their carbon our efforts are pretty pointless.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t try and do the right thing and if no one bothers, then we are fucked. But it’s depressing that we can try and mitigate climate change in this country, sometimes to the detriment of the economy but these global power houses are polluting like crazy still.
I was recently in the States and the mindset over there is very different.

Yes but when you are listening to local people talking about how they have not known it as hot or known it to reach these temperatures as frequently as they are now I think it is time to stop saying "it's summer" "it's hot". Ranger from death valley in California was saying last week that the area had not recorded a temperature over 50 degrees for nearly 100 years but has recorded it nearly every year for the past 5! No one is saying these temperatures have never been experienced in these areas before but it is the frequency they are happening that is the worry

Natural fires start in one place. Arson ones usually have multiple fires starting almost simultaneously, they also look for accelerants etc etc. The field may be vast, but they have a pretty good idea where it all started.

They know where the fires started - they look there/.

It is in the local news in Greece. The fires in the UK a few years back were all arson/human caused too - is it so hard to believe?

We had wild fires here last year too and that's very unusual. A street lost its houses.

I'm In a rural village surrounded buy wheat. On a dry summer the ground is dry as a bone. That could Be our house

As a country innovation here is doing well but we need the whole world to move in the same direction. I believe it will happen but not until the tipping point has well and truly begun.

Mass migration
Mass Food shortages
Medical shortage
Riots looting
Mass
Loss off life
Loss of livelihoods
Loss of wildlife

In this country we are likely to see more wet warm weather for ten years or so as the jet stream shifts. So a lot of floods

That's the future. We won't be worrying about loss of a holiday then.

People just won’t give up their luxuries until they are forced to.

I live in an area of southern Europe where there are often forest fires in summer.

Every year people are seen, and prosecuted for, starting some of them deliberately.

Absolutely. I remember some years ago there were fires in northwestern Spain and one of the worst was started by a granny. Just because. On purpose. She used to go on walks and one day just did it. Started multiple fires. I don´t think she ever explained the reason. Liked to watch it on tv, i guess. All her neighbours running around desperate to save their properties, the forests around their village, their crops. Must have been a big laugh.
Others were started because the land was protected for its biodiversity and once burned it was no longer valuable and the process could be started to clasify the land as buildable, which increases it´s value massively. Good old fashioned greed.
I also remember one started by one non-professional fireman to make sure he would get a contract during the summer to work in the fire extiguishing teams.
Others are pure idiocy, starting bbqs in the summer. One that killed 12 firemen started like this. Oops, we were bbqing sausages and it got slightly out of hand. Starting any kind of fire is forbidden from June to October. Or some idiot welding in his field (that one started near us).
One that nearly burned my car and got within 30 metres of our house was started by a 13 year old with a lighter in August 2019.
There are a myriad of reasons why fires start and why they spread so fast. The breaking down of rural life, the abandonment of fields, no one clears the bracken, no animals pasture, the high grass dries out and it burns in seconds.
I live in Spain and we have seen it all.

Yes - so the land could be built on used to be a big one here. However it is now illegal to build on burnt land for at least ten years.

We’ve had the temporary firefighter too, plus local feuds, and mental health issues as reasons.

The media have done a great job convincing people to hate JSO instead of governments doing fuck all to avoid the looming crisis we all face - global food shortages, mass movement of climate refugees. Get angry with the government for looking after its billionaire friends instead of your children's futures.

Oh! Of course the climate breakdown and chaos thousands of scientists and well-informed folk are quietly but insistently are pressing the fact upon us, but it's the mild inconvenience of Just Stop Oil that gets you angry. For the record they do let ambulances through but if you want you believe the Daily Mail and let them get you angry that's your choice. I could never do what they are doing, but I support them financially when I can and hope thousands more join their civil disobedience. The world is literally on fire.

https://juststopoil.org/

It's encouraging to see so many mums on MN get it and don't just parrot Daily Mail faux outrage lines.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/jul/24/global-catastrophe-matters-more-than-pause-in-sport-just-stop-oil-protests

The outraged reaction to Just Stop Oil’s mild behaviour – and entirely appropriate sense of panic about the planetary catastrophe we are already experiencing – says far more about us than it does about the activists themselves. We’re happy to champion the idea of free speech, and we all agree that Something Must Be Done about humanity’s impending collapse. But we’d really like people to do it somewhere else, some other time, somewhere it doesn’t interfere with our chosen escapism. In that respect, the protesters’ messages are the perfect way of calling us all out.

Thankfully the area of wildfires has been declining over recent decades, so hopefully that trend will continue.
Some studies suggest we are enduring less wildfires across the globe now than at any time in the past 2000 years.
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rstb.2015.0345?_ga=2.177194466.652435790.1690185116-1677141285.1690185116&_gl=1dlklmk_gaMTY3NzE0MTI4NS4xNjkwMTg1MTE2_ga_1L4MRBLQC4*MTY5MDE4NTExNi4xLjEuMTY5MDE4NTgzMy41MS4wLjA

In what way is causing traffic jams pumping out fumes helping?