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Rabies

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HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 23/07/2023 06:46

We found a bat in our spare room today. We live in the US. It is currently triple bagged in our refrigerator waiting to be sent to the health authority for analysis for rabies. We won't know if the bat is rabid until Wednesday. We are terrified. We have no idea when or how it got in. We have 2 kids and I am 37 weeks pregnant.

Apparently rabies vaccinations can cost thousands of dollars which we really can't afford right now .

If you believe in the power of prayer please send one up for us. We are very very scared.

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oakleaffy · 23/07/2023 15:29

muddlingthrou · 23/07/2023 07:46

Rabies develops incredibly fast from what I remember, so if you haven't got any symptoms you're fine.

The vast majority of bats are non-rabid, so the risk is very tiny. I don't know why your brain is jumping to that...

Not true.
A friend was bitten by a dog in a rabies hotspot
She had all the vaccines, driving far to get them.
She was advised TWO years, then she could relax.
OP get vaccines if you think you have been bitten if you live in a rabies area.

They can test the bat I think?

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 23/07/2023 15:36

@oakleaffy

Yes we are sending the bat for testing

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StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 15:37

How long does the testing take and do you need the vaccines before you get the results?

rosiepozis · 23/07/2023 15:37

Wow, OP, I’m sorry people have been so dismissive. Rabies essentially doesn’t exist here in the UK and this site is very much UK centered so I guess people don’t really understand how bad it is (and its very bad, once you show symptoms the chance of survival is so low and I’m not sure some posters understand that). I understand that the risk in the US is much more significant, especially since you don’t know exactly how long the bat was in your home.

You were right to do what you did, I hope everything works out. Sympathies

oakleaffy · 23/07/2023 15:38

People who have no idea how serious Rabies is ought to look at some of the medical you tube videos.

It is invariably fatal, despite much quoted “Milwaukee protocol”
It’s a dreadful death, People tied to beds-
one child broke free in hospital and exited via a glazed window.

Vaccines are essential after a bite by a suspect animal.

Romanian rescue dogs were stopped by DEFRA last year because of faked Rabies vaccine certification.

It will only be a matter of time before we import Rabies here, sadly.

cannaecookrisotto · 23/07/2023 15:39

I'm surprised at some of the posts taking the piss, as a general rule in the US, if you wake up to a bat in your bedroom then the advice is assume you've been bitten because you wouldn't even know.

I'd be worried too OP, rabies is absolutely fucking terrifying however I'm sure you'll be fine as rationally the odds are massively in your favour.

cannaecookrisotto · 23/07/2023 15:45

This is a copypasta that's done the rounds for years about rabies and it's terrifying:

"Let me paint you a picture.
You go camping, and at midday you decide to take a nap in a nice little hammock. While sleeping, a tiny brown bat, in the "rage" stages of infection is fidgeting in broad daylight, uncomfortable, and thirsty (due to the hydrophobia) and you snort, startling him. He goes into attack mode.
Except you're asleep, and he's a little brown bat, so weighs around 6 grams. You don't even feel him land on your bare knee, and he starts to bite. His teeth are tiny. Hardly enough to even break the skin, but he does manage to give you the equivalent of a tiny scrape that goes completely unnoticed.
Rabies does not travel in your blood. In fact, a blood test won't even tell you if you've got it. (Antibody tests may be done, but are useless if you've ever been vaccinated.)
You wake up, none the wiser. If you notice anything at the bite site at all, you assume you just lightly scraped it on something.
The bomb has been lit, and your nervous system is the wick. The rabies will multiply along your nervous system, doing virtually no damage, and completely undetectable. You literally have NO symptoms.
It may be four days, it may be a year, but the camping trip is most likely long forgotten. Then one day your back starts to ache... Or maybe you get a slight headache?
At this point, you're already dead. There is no cure.
(The sole caveat to this is the Milwaukee Protocol, which leaves most patients dead anyway, and the survivors mentally disabled, and is seldom done).
There's no treatment. It has a 100% kill rate.
Absorb that. Not a single other virus on the planet has a 100% kill rate. Only rabies. And once you're symptomatic, it's over. You're dead.
So what does that look like?
Your headache turns into a fever, and a general feeling of being unwell. You're fidgety. Uncomfortable. And scared. As the virus that has taken its time getting into your brain finds a vast network of nerve endings, it begins to rapidly reproduce, starting at the base of your brain... Where your "pons" is located. This is the part of the brain that controls communication between the rest of the brain and body, as well as sleep cycles.
Next you become anxious. You still think you have only a mild fever, but suddenly you find yourself becoming scared, even horrified, and it doesn't occur to you that you don't know why. This is because the rabies is chewing up your amygdala.
As your cerebellum becomes hot with the virus, you begin to lose muscle coordination, and balance. You think maybe it's a good idea to go to the doctor now, but assuming a doctor is smart enough to even run the tests necessary in the few days you have left on the planet, odds are they'll only be able to tell your loved ones what you died of later.
You're twitchy, shaking, and scared. You have the normal fear of not knowing what's going on, but with the virus really fucking the amygdala this is amplified a hundred fold. It's around this time the hydrophobia starts.
You're horribly thirsty, you just want water. But you can't drink. Every time you do, your throat clamps shut and you vomit. This has become a legitimate, active fear of water. You're thirsty, but looking at a glass of water begins to make you gag, and shy back in fear. The contradiction is hard for your hot brain to see at this point. By now, the doctors will have to put you on IVs to keep you hydrated, but even that's futile. You were dead the second you had a headache.
You begin hearing things, or not hearing at all as your thalamus goes. You taste sounds, you see smells, everything starts feeling like the most horrifying acid trip anyone has ever been on. With your hippocampus long under attack, you're having trouble remembering things, especially family.
You're alone, hallucinating, thirsty, confused, and absolutely, undeniably terrified. Everything scares the literal shit out of you at this point. These strange people in lab coats. These strange people standing around your bed crying, who keep trying to get you "drink something" and crying. And it's only been about a week since that little headache that you've completely forgotten. Time means nothing to you anymore. Funny enough, you now know how the bat felt when he bit you.
Eventually, you slip into the "dumb rabies" phase. Your brain has started the process of shutting down. Too much of it has been turned to liquid virus. Your face droops. You drool. You're all but unaware of what's around you. A sudden noise or light might startle you, but for the most part, it's all you can do to just stare at the ground. You haven't really slept for about 72 hours.
Then you die. Always, you die.
And there's not one... fucking... thing... anyone can do for you.
Then there's the question of what to do with your corpse. I mean, sure, burying it is the right thing to do. But the fucking virus can survive in a corpse for years. You could kill every rabid animal on the planet today, and if two years from now, some moist, preserved, rotten hunk of used-to-be brain gets eaten by an animal, it starts all over."

oakleaffy · 23/07/2023 15:56

@HuckleberryBlackcurrant Really hope the bat tests negative for rabies.
My son went to a rabies endemic country, and I offered to pay the vaccines after seeing the vids online.

You are absolutely right to be concerned- but hopefully odds are in your favour.
How long will brain testing on the bat take?

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 23/07/2023 16:00

@oakleaffy

They said they could rush it as we don't know how long it was in the house. So we should know by Tuesday afternoon

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rainbowunicorn · 23/07/2023 16:04

10HailMarys · 23/07/2023 08:32

Grow up, for god’s sake

Don't be a dick, for God's sake.

StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 16:04

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 23/07/2023 16:00

@oakleaffy

They said they could rush it as we don't know how long it was in the house. So we should know by Tuesday afternoon

How quickly would you need the vaccine?

Un7breakable · 23/07/2023 16:05

If you were bitten or it was in a room people slept in then you need to be vaccinated before the symptoms start. Rabies is almost always fatal once symptoms start. Insurance should cover it or work out a payment plan.

oakleaffy · 23/07/2023 16:06

That’s good, @HuckleberryBlackcurrant
Best of luck!

rainbowunicorn · 23/07/2023 16:08

Tillyteacup · 23/07/2023 15:11

You are being hysterical and your husband shouldn’t have killed the poor thing.

Maybe you should read the thread or even use Google before you comment on something you clearly know nothing about.
The risk is taken very seriously in the US due to a much higher chance of the bat being infected. The OP has done exactly as she should have and is not being hysterical. The bat is not a poor wee thing and her husband would have been advised to kill it and it be sent for testing.

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 23/07/2023 16:08

@StefanosHill

If it comes back positive for rabies, then immediately

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StefanosHill · 23/07/2023 16:10

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 23/07/2023 16:08

@StefanosHill

If it comes back positive for rabies, then immediately

As long as you can wait for results, as quick as they are, then that’s good

I hope all is ok

Toenailz · 23/07/2023 16:10

Really concerned at the folk posting as if they have knowledge on this zoonoses when it's clear they have none.

Firstly, whilst the UK doesn't have rabies 'on the ground' it is very much present in the bat population, and every year a small number of bats tested in the UK for rabies come back positive. This means you should never handle a bat in the UK without gloves, and if you are bitten, seek medical advice without delay. There has been a death in Scotland due to bat-contracted rabies, so, whilst the risk is small, and would be very rare, please be extremely careful with the information you are spreading online, it could be responsible for contributing to someone's death, however small the risk. Rabies is a very unpleasant disease and not something to fuck around with. I do not wish to give the impression that bats in the UK are riddled with rabies, but it's certainly present.

Please also bear in mind that possibly unlike the OP in the states, it's illegal to harm bats in the UK. I have my own views on killing an animal in the home, but I won't delve too much because a) it's now pointless, the animal has already been killed and b) I'm not in the OP's position whereby rabies is a much more common risk and having to pay thousands for vaccines, and c) I honestly don't know if they were given advice by official sources to kill it.

OP, it's up to you what you do. Personally I'd consider vaccinating the children, myself. You'll know as well I do recovery from rabies is unlikely, and whilst I believe advancements are being made, doubt it's something I'd risk with children - it's a horrendous disease. That being said, it's a game of weighing up the risks where the worst outcome is death - if the bat was in another room, it's unlikely (though not impossible) that any harm will come.

I'm very sorry that you are in this position of making this kind of choice. It's not right. I sincerely hope all turns out ok.

2bazookas · 23/07/2023 16:17

"The lady that we spoke to was very concerned that my husband had initially thrown the bat away. He spent an hour looking for it in the field. It hadn't moved. That is a sign of a sick bat, or so the woman on the phone told us."

Really? I thought it was a sign it was dead, and it was dead because your husband had killed it and threw the body in the field.

muddlingthrou · 23/07/2023 16:18

@oakleaffy - I've already posted again apologising for my ignorance!

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 23/07/2023 16:21

@2bazookas

It was alive when he threw it into the field. We didn't want to have to kill it. But considering they have to kill it to test it, the alternative was to keep a live bat in a box for 2 days until their office opens, not to mention driving 45 mins with it in my car.

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muddlingthrou · 23/07/2023 16:21

@CrunchyCarrot - and to you, posted already saying I realise now I didn't know what the hell I was talking about. Appreciate you and other posters schooling us on the reality and wishing OP all the best! A good lesson I'm not jumping the gun and posting before you do your research 🤦🏽‍♀️

HuckleberryBlackcurrant · 23/07/2023 16:22

@Toenailz we didn't want to have to kill the bat. I actually quite like bats and understand they are important ecologically. But you have to kill the bat to test for rabies.

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oakleaffy · 23/07/2023 16:29

muddlingthrou · 23/07/2023 16:18

@oakleaffy - I've already posted again apologising for my ignorance!

Let’s just hope bat tests negative for OP. :)

We are lucky in U.K. that Rabies prophylaxis vaccines are affordable.

I wasn’t aware of how long it could take to show symptoms til friend told me.

The closer to the brain the bite is- the shorter the timeframe- being bitten on a foot takes longer to reach brain .

There are some terrifying vids on you tube of rabies- I was surprised to see one poor man having thick saliva cleared from his mouth by a nurse with un gloved hands.

Video was from 1950’s?
Still more or less incurable.

Children especially are at risk , as they play out a lot and are more likely to get bitten or scratched by affected animals

Horses get rabies too - A pony went crazy biting people and screaming along an Indian street
It tested positive for rabies.

Affected passers by were vaccinated.

QuestionableMouse · 23/07/2023 16:48

WhatHasHeDone · 23/07/2023 07:41

Was it dead before you froze it?
I know you are worried, I’m sure you would have noticed if you had been bitten though. I hope the analysis comes back clear so you can relax. Flowers

Not always - bat bites can be tiny and painless!

Really hoping your bat comes back negative!

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