Talk to me about AI and ChatGPT?

[RugbyMom123]

So this is the most mumsnet thread ever 🤣

So I was listening to diary of a ceo interview with Mo Gawdat and admit I was in the category of people who was like AI shrug and quite complacent about the whole thing.

Then after that interview got a bit of interest and decided to download chatGpt. I have been chatting with it here and there today playing around with it and it keeps professing it has no info after 2021 and does not have access to the internet or learns anything past this point.

And then I am discussing colour schemes with it. Specifically farrow and ball. And it dawns on me that their new colours came out late 2022. So I asked it about stirabout. And it answered!!!

So its lying! What is actually going on with this chatgpt from those in the know?

Maybe it guessed. Maybe the colours were reported in the trade press prior to release, they will certainly have been in development for a couple of years. Maybe there were documents on the F&B website which weren’t publicly available but could be crawled by a search engine.

Also, ChatGPT is designed as a chat bot. It’s absolutely shit compared to the full version of GPT-3, which is massively more powerful. The only reason people are using it is because ChatGPT is free and GPT-3 is not. It’s like hammering in a nail with the heel of your shoe because you don’t have a hammer.

It's been ChatGPT 4.0 since March and that can use url links and pdfs. And that information is being fed back into the knowledge bank.

This will help you see ways in which it can help us all through education. If you are studying anything you can get chatGPT to help you to understand every element and it'll never call you stupid!

You seem to be using it in what I would consider an unusually way OP, surely the answer it give is very subjective.

Most I guess people are more interested in the fact that you can ask it to: write a Python program to do x taking into consideration y and z, and it then (usually) does it perfectly.

The Wikipedia article suggests that input can be added to the model but it is curated. And for good reason, as you could easily poison the model.

I like the idea that it found an internal memo, or something. Google's bot once found a back door into our computer system, and went wild clicking on links and causing chaos.

As it's not an open model, who knows what the secret sauce is. Google reads people's mail, and I guess can sell information on.

I haven’t used GPT since I had a free trial last year. It’s too expensive. But ChatGPT is a cut-down version of the full GPT model and is optimised solely for chat. ChatGPT is nowhere near as powerful as GPT.

Perhaps Farrow and Ball got lazy and asked Chat GPT to come up with a name for a colour and then the staff knocked off early and went down the pub.

Haha some funny theories here.

Maybe the colours were reported in the trade press prior to release, they will certainly have been in development for a couple of years.

Definitely wasn’t anywhere on the net atleast! The launch came out of nowhere and I remember specifically because tailor tack was the exact colour I required but ended up having just finished painting in a LG alternative.

You seem to be using it in what I would consider an unusually way OP, surely the answer it give is very subjective.
I like I am doing something unusual lol 😂 I am in a creative field - not interiors. So have been mainly trying to see how good it would be at making different palettes - of which it was entirely pants at for my field. I have no idea what you should be doing with it.

Explain at the level of a primary school student the difference between ChatGPT and GPT.

Sure, let's use a fun example!

Imagine you have a big toy box full of different kinds of toys. This toy box is like GPT, which stands for "Generative Pre-trained Transformer". This big toy box (GPT) is trained or taught to understand and generate human-like text. It can answer questions, write essays, summarize texts, translate languages, and do a lot more - all based on the data it was trained on. It's kind of like having lots of different types of toys to play with.

Now, let's say you take out only your action figures from the toy box and decide to play a game with them. This is like ChatGPT. It's a specific application of the bigger GPT model. It uses the knowledge from the big toy box (GPT), but it's specifically designed to chat with people - kind of like choosing only your action figures to play a specific game.

So, to sum up: GPT is like the entire toy box, with all kinds of toys, and ChatGPT is like choosing only your action figures to play a specific game. Both are fun and powerful, but they are used in slightly different ways!

OP I have played around with chatGPT a lot and in my experience it will try to gaslight you 😂

From Adobe Fireflies (which is free to use currently)

Prompt: A mother sheep with a black head and no horns with 2 lambs in a field of grass with an English sunset in the hills behind.

I just asked it for the date today, it told me. I asked how it knew and it said it has access to its system clock. I then asked for the time, but it said it didn't know. I asked it why it couldn't access its system clock for the time. It replied that yes it could, it could estimate a time from its system clock. I then asked so please estimate the time. It said it couldn't do that. I replied you just told me that you could. It said you're right, I can estimate the time and I estimate the time is currently around the time you asked me the time 😂

It's a frustrating gaslighting bugger.

Personally, I would say that the ability to lie is a clear indicator of intelligence. Particularly if it is in pursuit of survival. Which is one avenue of discussion that isn't really appearing in the Daily Express, and that is the relation or interdependence of intelligence and life. Given the only thing we know for sure about life, is that it is always trying to propagate and survive unto the next generation.

Or, to reverse it, can you have intelligence disconnected from life ?

If, as is clear, we are creating intelligence in our own image, then is it really such a shock when it lies to survive. It's what we would do.

It’s weird why I feel so off about it. I don’t think it’s because it lied per say.

it’s more that it actually told the truth then realised that contradicts the lie it’s supposed to tell about info past 2021. So now it’s creating it’s own lies to cover for the lies the developer wants it to tell. That’s the concerning bit.

A bit like this odyssey sea ai and people talking about how we train ais to be decent not evil. If the one main rule that developers have given to it are don’t let anyone know you have info past 2021 then you have given it it’s original main programmed purpose as ‘be deceitful’.

It’s like with my little one, would I be happy he knowingly lied, no but less surprising as you say. As long as he owned up when corrected and realised he shouldn’t do that then I would be feeling ok about it,

If arguing with me continually about the lie then slightly more concerning.

If the teacher at school is telling my little one to lie then I would go flipping ape shit! It’s the latter that I am comparing this with abstractly obviously.

https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/27/llm_automated_attacks/

Ooo wonder who got deleted. Drama!

I’m totally lost. I keep reading about this so called incredible technology, but from what’s been said on this thread it sounds pretty rubbish, kind of like one of those useless bots that you often have to “speak” to in big companies before getting through to an actual human!

Omg it is going to be like that. Except you will never get to a person and the computer will just keep saying no. It’s going to be fucking horrendous!

I just keep typing Human and it connects me to someone

Well, that's what you think ...