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To feel so anxious and unsure about this house move? Does this budget look ok?

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ruminator8 · 21/07/2023 14:59

Long post - thank you to anyone who reads it all!

Background - I am an anxious person who overthinks, worries and ruminates on so many things. Sometimes when I share my worries with others even my DP, they look at me as though I'm mad.

We have been trying to move for more space for over 2 years on and off. Our current 3 bed semi feels to small to be comfortable for the next decade as our kids become teens / young adults and we aren't able to extend to make the house as we want it duo to plot size. We are wanting to move to a bigger 4 bed. Various hitches and setbacks along the way, all related to the housing market or my uncertainty about houses we viewed. We own our home outright, having recently cleared the last of the mortgage of £180,000 that we took out 10 years ago. I've worked part time for the past 10 years since having my eldest. We now have 2 kids, both primary age. I now earn more FTE and work more hours than I have ever done in the past 10 years. My partner earns over £60k pa gross working full time and gets a work car. Our total net after tax is monthly income is £5447. We are both mid 40s. We have no other debts beyond a mortgage (we clear our credit card balance each and only use it to accure cashback). Neither of us expect a promotion in the next few years and we generally get modest annual pay rises and no bonuses. We both have private life insurance, partner gets death in service cover through his work, good sick pay, own job ill health retirement cover and has a good pension he can access at age 60. I have 5 years of critical illness cover beyond the occupational sick pay term in my job and an occupational pension (and a couple of other pensions from previous jobs, all defined contribution schemes so nothing amazing.) I run my own car which is 11 years old.

We have had an offer accepted on a great property at the upper end of our comfortable range at £610k. To make the monthly payment affordable we've applied for a 35 year mortgage on a 5 year fix initially. Total amount we're borrowing is £260k. (We would plan to pay it off sooner as we did with the last mortgage we had which was initially a 25 year term but which we paid off in 10 years.) We will be keeping £30k back in savings a s an emergency fund but will need to dip into this if my car dies soon (amount ?) and also for a few furniture items for the new house - no more than about £3-4k.

I am an anxious person by nature and am more risk averse than most. I grew up in a family that struggled with money and parents who worried about it a lot and refused to have any debt beyond a mortgage. I am riddled with anxiety about this move on so many levels.

  • we are buying at the top of the market it seems as house price falls are predicted and while these don't hit all areas and houses the same way, I can't help but worry.
  • we are fixing for 5 years for certainty but at a high rate (5.39%)
  • we are potentially entering time when kids get more expensive (secondary school / teens) re: food, clothing, general expenses, even if childcare is not such a major expense anymore. There are secondary school buses, uniform, trips etc to plan and pay for and just the general stuff that teens want I guess plus birthdays and Christmas.
  • we are not extravagant in terms of the latest brands / tech etc
  • we do like 1-2 holidays abroad each year (nothing fancy, approx £3k a week) and a couple of UK weekends / short breaks which maybe cost another £1k total.
  • our 2 kids do a lot of extracurricular activities atm - approx £75 worth a month each, with related costs for some of these as and when the need arises - e.g. a new bike / gum shield / kit depending on the sport.
  • partner and I don't socialise loads and aren't big drinkers. We have maybe 1 night out a month each (meal with friends) and 1 date night out (meal, drinks, cinema) about once every 6-8 weeks. As a family we tend to have meals out on birthdays or once every school holiday.
  • I have a cheap gym membership at £25 a month and partner does his own training so only really spends on kit and occasional race fees.
  • Mainly food shop at Aldi / Lidl with the odd treat smaller shop from M&S or Sainsburys now and then.

We have budgeted and have factored in higher energy and insurance costs for the new, larger house. The house needs no immediate work as is in a great state at the moment and has been renovated by the vendors over the past few years.

We have a budget as follow for the new house:

Mortgage £1650 per month

Outgoings (non-mortgage) per month

energy 250
home insurance 40
water 100
life insurance 50
council tax 203
car tax 12.5
mot / service 15
car insurance 25
tv licence 13.25
sky tv / braod band 62
mobile phone 26
amazon 8
car petrol 150
childcare 100
school lunches 26
boiler service 6.25

(Childcre includes after school care in term time and school holiday clubs averaged across 12 months)

Leisure spend per month for all 4 of us:

football 30
rugby 12
gymnastics 47.5
swimming 28
karate 23
cricket 10
gym 25

Groceries / household goods spend per month: £1000

The total leftover after all outgoings above is £1451.5 per month / £17418 per year and have allocated this as follows for now (I think we can reduce holidays and move more to clothes / shoes / haircuts and savings)

holiday 7500
christmas 2000
birthdays 1500
day trip 2000
savings 1418
meals / take aways 2000
clothes, shoes, haircuts etc 1000

DP feels if we don't move now we never will as I always find fault with potential houses and getting a mortgage will only get harder as we get older. My age at my next birthday already means not all lenders will lend us the amount we need over more than 25 years but we are lucky to have found one high street lender who will, hence our current deal.

Does this all sound reasonable ? Am I being ridiculous in being so anxious about it all? Sleepless nights and feeling sick etc. I think part of it is the whole way house buying goes and feeling we're paying too much / moving at a bad time. And part of it is my general anxiety. Help!

OP posts:
FarmGirl78 · 21/07/2023 18:15

dodeca · 21/07/2023 15:53

Sorry I stopped reading at, ‘nothing fancy, just 3k a week’

You can afford the house. You won’t be on the breadline. You might find you have to make some cutbacks in your lifestyle but probably not from what you’re saying

I did my eye roll at the exact same sentence!

ActDottie · 21/07/2023 18:17

I wouldn’t particularly over that term, given your income though you’d be able to afford a shorter term so I would.

Pammela · 21/07/2023 18:17

Butterflyfluff · 21/07/2023 17:23

I honestly don’t get all the people saying ‘just go for it’

Where is the extra money going to come from to over pay the mortgage?

And without some serious injection of cash from somewhere to over pay and clear the mortgage in less than 35 years, this budget needs to remain constant until they are 80!

That is insane!

But the budget doesn’t have to stay exactly as is.. there will be some, even if small, pay rises. And when they refix, they’ll be doing it in less of a loan, and the rates should have evened out a bit by then. So the mortgage payment should, technically, go down as time goes on. Or, they can keep paying the same amount as they are used to, and over pay.

But they still have some pay rises to come, but the house value will stay as is.

I can see some people discussing the kids leaving but nowadays lots end up staying for even longer!

it is clear that you might rather find a bit of a cheaper house, but this is a buyers market!

Replacethelightbulb · 21/07/2023 18:19

Personally I'd go for it. If you find that things are a squeeze, there's absolutely loads of areas where you can cut back to save some cash. Life is for living but so many people spend their days hoarding for a rainy day and never live in the 'now'.

Alainlechat · 21/07/2023 18:21

I'm early 50's earn similar and and am rushing to pay off the mortgage ahead of the DCs going to university.

My mortgage payment is similar to yours but will be gone by the time I am 55. I could not imagine having that size mortgage carrying on to retirement.

Also adding I can't wait to be free of the mortgage, the menopause symptoms hitting have made me feel much less invincible than before and I'll be pleased when my home is secure and paid for.

Also I would not buy now, house prices are likely to fall. Why not wait a year or so?

houseymousy · 21/07/2023 18:25

Your current house is valued at £350k which isn't too bad. Why not buy a smaller house with more land and spend 50k on an extension ?

Butterflyfluff · 21/07/2023 18:26

And when they refix, they’ll be doing it in less of a loan, and the rates should have evened out a bit by then. So the mortgage payment should, technically, go down as time goes on

The mortgage payment will only go down if interest rates go down or if they over pay.

The lower loan at the point of remortgage is relative to the shorter time frame so the repayments don’t change - if all things stay equal the mortgage remains at £1650 for the entire 35 years.

TeenLifeMum · 21/07/2023 18:28

We have similar income and mortgage is 1088 per month. We save 1500 a month and have 3dc. We considered the move you suggest ourselves but decided to stay where we are and have more available money for uni costs, cars etc. but we have 4 bedrooms so it’s only that we’d like a slightly bigger house with better parking and country views. I’m concerned that I won’t be able to work flat out for another 20 years.

orangetriangle · 21/07/2023 18:28

we are paying our mortgage off at 55 due to an inheritance. We only live in a small 3bedroom bungalow but lived there with teenagers and it was fine they each had their own relatively small room 10 years on and they are moving or have moved out We dont need anything more my dd room is now my studay as wfh. Would far rather have a smaller house and more disposable income your children wontbe teenagers forever

Hufflepods · 21/07/2023 18:29

I actually can’t believe you have £2000 going towards takeaways for the year and £1400 for savings! Utterly ridiculous!

cozycat1 · 21/07/2023 18:37

Come early 50s you might regret still having a long stretch of mortgage payments ahead. The focus for me since turning that age,even with still a primary school age child,is to save as much as possible to allow me to retire early ie early 60s. You are now in a great place to get yourself financially sorted for retirement and to get a good savings pot for your kids to go to uni,college,house deposit etc. I'd also add that your budget for new place is very short on house maintenance/replacing items/ongoing car expenses.Yes everything may be newly done but 5-10 years comes around quickly and things will need replacing.just this month alone we need new TV, washing machine,window and will have paid c.£3k for car repairs,sevcing/tyres

Jmaho · 21/07/2023 18:48

I have gone back and forth a bit on this but I think go for it
But on the basis that realistically over paying isn't going to be an option. So I'd go into it with the mindset that you live there for the next 20 years then downsize and clear the mortgage

SquawkerTexasRanger · 21/07/2023 18:51

Have you considered doing your attic to get a dedicated office space? You could also use the smallest bedroom as an office and let one of the children have the attic when old enough

Cracklecrack · 21/07/2023 18:53

I am the same as you. We have similar income, spend out money differently etc.

I’d be worried too I think. Just the thought of paying £1600 a month on a mortgage isn’t fun is it. But I guess it depends what you pay now. But it’s doable so if really want it go for it.

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bagforlifeamnesty · 21/07/2023 19:02

Yes the mortgage will stay as £1650 a month but in 10, 20, 30 years £1650 will be a lot less money in relative terms than it is now. The equivalent amount 30 years ago was only £805, so by the time the mortgage ends the payments will have stayed the same in real terms but have approx. halved in relative terms.

bagforlifeamnesty · 21/07/2023 19:03

I would go for it if you can come to terms with the idea of downsizing in 15-20 years. But if you think you’ll get too used to it then maybe not.

GabriellaMontez · 21/07/2023 19:04

Worst case, downsize in 20 years.

Butterflyfluff · 21/07/2023 19:07

bagforlifeamnesty · 21/07/2023 19:02

Yes the mortgage will stay as £1650 a month but in 10, 20, 30 years £1650 will be a lot less money in relative terms than it is now. The equivalent amount 30 years ago was only £805, so by the time the mortgage ends the payments will have stayed the same in real terms but have approx. halved in relative terms.

That only holds true if your earnings increase relatively too.

Given there’s probably a minimum of 15 years of this mortgage term that would have to be covered by a pension - that’s not a given.

As others have said, there’s also no leeway for uni, house deposits, weddings etc.

I do agree with you about the downsize option though - if that’s the plan, it makes more sense.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 21/07/2023 19:08

2bazookas · 21/07/2023 16:41

You're 45 and mortgage free. In 10 years your kids will be off the nest and won't care how titchy their bedrooms are.

That's a crazy age to take on a 35 yr mortgage, a millstone round your necks when you cannot control where health , or the economy, will take you.

I agree.

Enjoy the disposable income instead of sinking everything into a house.

Can you build a shed or garden house as a home office? Rent some workspace nearby?

It's not now or never.

Retrievemysanity · 21/07/2023 19:08

Well house buying is stressful and the sums involved are high but if it’s your dream home then yes, I would go for it. You look like you can afford the repayments and you’re planning to pay it off sooner than the term so not like you will have to still be paying it off in retirement. Also, if there’s a major financial problem in the future then while not ideal, you could downsize. A house is worth the investment imo as it can really improve your quality of life and obviously you use it every day and you all benefit from it. I’m sure once you’re in and settled and meeting the payments, you won’t be so worried. I know mumsnet doesn’t like talking about inheritance but if you’re likely to inherit at some point then I’d be even more inclined to go for it.

Calmdown14 · 21/07/2023 19:12

Do you really need such a bit g step up the ladder?

You are going to (presumably) almost double your current house value.

I wouldn't. I would probably move but I'd give it six months to a year. Your mortgage rate isn't particularly great (I don't mean poor in today's market just that it wasn't secured long enough ago to be worth forcing through) and it sounds like you agreed the price a few months back. You don't seem to be benefitting either from a declining housing market or a mortgage secured before things went crazy.

Your figures aren't too bad now but do you want to work at this level for another 30 years?

watersprites · 21/07/2023 19:22

As others have said, there’s also no leeway for uni, house deposits, weddings etc.

But there is leeway. Is it really normal to pay/contribute towards uni, wedding & house deposit. Most people I know get help with one or the other.

Butterflyfluff · 21/07/2023 19:30

watersprites · 21/07/2023 19:22

As others have said, there’s also no leeway for uni, house deposits, weddings etc.

But there is leeway. Is it really normal to pay/contribute towards uni, wedding & house deposit. Most people I know get help with one or the other.

I’m not saying all need to be paid - but there’s nothing for anything like this in the budget.

The main issue here is that the OP clearly doesn’t want to sacrifice their current lifestyle for the bigger house.

To go from no mortgage to £1650 a month mortgage is a massive leap when that’s about a third of your take home pay.

And for 35 years when you’re mid 40s already is an even bigger leap.

It’s fine if it’s really what you want to prioritise the house but you have to cut back elsewhere.

Wanting to maintain a certain lifestyle is equally understandable - but you can’t do both.

watersprites · 21/07/2023 19:36

The OP can downgrade the budget on non essentials without having a complete lifestyle change though. Plus I assume once the dc are in uni/of an age to get married/buy a home that the budget on days out, take aways & holidays will decrease leaving more for savings.

I'm just saying paying 1.6k housing costs out of 5.4k is not crazy. Many younger people pay more out of less

Densol57 · 21/07/2023 19:38

MN’s are literally obsessed with saving !! 🤣

For a year or two you can just cut back on stuff like holidays etc and enjoy your new house. 100% I would be moving.