To wonder what all the fuss is about ULEZ

[Winterday1991]

Hardly anyone is affected, only if you have a very old car. No, you should not be free to pollute the air by driving around in a polluting vehicle and so should have to pay a penalty to do so.

It annoys me as everyone agrees we need to tackle climate change, but no one wants the hit on their life/ change their lifestyles.

They should really have exemptions for charities, schools etc - small numbers of vehicles, disproportionate impact on them.

After the government encouraged you into that vehicle as it was supposedly good for the environment.

So they have a skill you do not. Therefore they can charge for that skill. It’s still your choice to use them! If you can’t afford it that is not the tradespersons issue. Should they lower their cost to help you out!

No where outside of London is getting the London ULEZ. The "inside M25" is a lie. It's only London boroughs.

I find your comments about most tradesmen avoiding tax really offensive.

It is affecting those bordering it. Who kids go to school inside the zone, who do clubs / use businesses inside the zone. Or live outside but work in the zone.
they don’t get the support.

So you are telling people to muck around with their gas boilers themselves? 🤔

@justteanbiscuits
There are towns inside the "London Borough of Bromley" who are well into Kent and have crappy transport links.

Because a captive, dependable revenue stream, that's easily controlled and predictable is much more profitable.

Need a bigger tax take, Jack up the cost of crossing a 15 minute sector for the next few months. Can be done immediately, without notice, instant money.

Want to stop people protesting about your constantly changing fines and charges, we'll you can just jack the charges up to thousands of pounds on the days you think they might protest.

And by removing the means of travel, you force people onto "public" transport. Which you can control easily and generate taxes and fines at will.

Capitalism died 40 years ago.

Blame that on the Tory government.

Or who do you think paid for my subsidiary in 2017?

As usual the government doesn't hit the stuff that is really at the heart of the issue.

They would be far better off banning wood burning stoves than cars.

We spend all this time and effort trying to improve the atmosphere by penalising cars, only to mess it up again by burning wood (and god knows what other crap people shove in them).

My car is too old for Glasgow/ Edinburgh Ulez so I won’t go. It is frustrating as it only misses it by 2 months. C’est la vie.

Im far enough away that it’s an occasional visit anyway I have lots of sympathy for those who are finding it’s making life harder on a day to day basis.

The signs are not clear as they don’t explain that a charge needs to be paid, unlike dartford signs. My friend from Leeds drove around the area for the first time to attend a concert as the trains were on strike, and got a massive fine for not paying the charge as there was no information that you needed to.

If they are in the London Borough of Bromley, then they are in London and thus could vote for Mayor. While they have a Kent postal address, if they have ULEZ they are in London.

If you read my posts, you will see I am against the current extension as it stands.

The average person doesn't get any support inside a London borough either btw.

The Mayor of London can't stop people using wood burning stoves as it beyond his legal powers. (In fact my local council can't stop them either.)

The Mayor of London is allowed to expand ULEZ as it is within his legal powers.

He is legally obliged to reduce air pollution in Greater London.

Havering get to vote, Thurrock do not. Many people who live on the edges of both will be affected by this. Also go and live in cranham and tell me the public transport is fantastic no need for a car. Look up upminster nursing home on a lane, clay tye road, in the middle of nowhere, but now if you want to go and visit your gran you pay ULEZ

We are in the inner zone so have been ulez for 2 years.
dh had to buy a new car - he had a diesel bluemotion which he was told was less polluting but then it was all back-tracked on and as it was deemed not ulez compliant (even though road tax was lower than my compliant older hatchback) he had to buy a new car (same make and model) which he is still paying off.
it is basically a nonsense.
so my old (08) plate is ulez compliant even though I pay £200 road tax per year
dh’s old, bigger, allegedly environmentally friendly car, not compliant. £16k for new car.

The other thing to remember.

The current Tory government is forcing Tfl to repay a massive loan given to them during Covid. Khan basically has no choice but to continue ULEZ expansion (remember, the original was a Tory idea) to raise the money to pay this debt. I do understand he is a very difficult position - but doesn't stop me being frustrated that we need to get ourselves in debt over it.

If you're on benefits or disabled you can get the scrappage scheme and business can get the scrappage scheme otherwise you can't ...either way you still have to make up the difference and if you can't afford it you can't replace your car.

You cannot get a compliant car for the amount you get on the scheme. If you are lucky enough to get any help at all.
I can't find a compliment replacement for the 7 seater I need for under £3,600 and that is a year older than my current car a decent one is more than double.

This my neck of the woods - so if you go read my posts you will see me saying that public transport in these area's is not suitable. I'm Redbridge, and it's 90 bloody minutes on buses to get to Queens hospital in Romford.

I was just pointing out that postal address does not equal whether you are a London borough, and that every single area that actually has ULEZ did get to vote for Mayor.

As things stand I would vote for Khan again. Happily. I don't hold him personally responsible for ULEZ.

But true

So they have a skill you do not. Therefore they can charge for that skill. It’s still your choice to use them! If you can’t afford it that is not the tradespersons issue. Should they lower their cost to help you out!

So they shouldn't expect me to stick up for them when they are happy to rip me off.

My husband can't get his tools including welder onto a tube ...you're not allowed on with ladders either. Why assume every tradesman is ripping you off they have paid congestion, emissions and parking per day why shouldn't they pass that on to the customer?

Of course the central London boroughs managed it "without any drama". They have significantly better public transport and significantly worse air quality.

people who can't grasp this are selfish/small minded/appalling/add your pathetic insult here.