To wonder what all the fuss is about ULEZ

[Winterday1991]

Hardly anyone is affected, only if you have a very old car. No, you should not be free to pollute the air by driving around in a polluting vehicle and so should have to pay a penalty to do so.

It annoys me as everyone agrees we need to tackle climate change, but no one wants the hit on their life/ change their lifestyles.

If I'd known about the closure we could have made other plans, but there was no notice of this closure

A lot of tradespeople travel by Tube carrying the tools of the trade and hard hat in their workbags. They are usually wearing their boots and overalls.

That's why so many of them were livid when the Extinction Rebellion people glued themselves to the roof of a tube train at Canning Town, east London, at about 7am a while back. I don't blame them

A builder came round to my house in the ULEZ on Sunday morning for a free estimate. I didn't ask him how he got here and I didn't moan about it. If I accept his quote I expect all expenses, including ULEZ, to be part of it.

Really? Maybe it was an emergency. Unions have to give advance notice of industrial action by law.

In my experience there is always at least a week's notice of planned engineering works. Usually TfL gives a schedule for the next month but you have to look it up on their website. My mum got used to looking it up and she didn't even have the internet - she went down to the station and read the notice boards.

Similarly, my friend always checks for industrial action before meeting up which is why she warned my about possible disruption on my line tomorrow meaning I'll probably get the bus instead. Hers - the Elizabeth Line - is okay. She raves about the Elizabeth Line.

I'm glad she told me because I'd never have thought to check and I'd have been late. If you don't know, you get caught out.

Railway not underground. We'd checked station notices about summer closures the previous weekend.

There are all manner of reasons for a line to shut down unexpectedly - off the top of my head ones that I can think of where several trains in a row are cancelled (without prior warning)

A vehicle has hit a bridge
Fatality on the line
Signal failures
Problems with overhead powerlines
Flooded tunnels
Trespassers on the line
Over-running engineering works (as in planned for the weekend but still impacting services on Monday)

Because that poster is thick enough to demonize those who disagree with them, and thick enough to thick right wingers are demonic and hence an appropriate group to demonize others as being.

Transport links in the outskirts of the new London ULEZ zone are not comparable to the original zone. They don't link up in the same way.

My 90 year old neighbour is reliant on his car for his weekly shop and has no support to change his car. I agree people need to make changes but I disagree with now poor the coverage of the scrappage scheme is.

I can’t believe Pratts Bottom’s affected by ULEZ! I genuinely approve of cleaner air quality but I am literally TERRIFIED of the way our rulers and leaders lack common sense!

They just seem to have no idea about the value of money, what’s realistic, what’s viable or even what’s a reasonable sliding scale!…. I’m not even sure that it’s the public who should be paying!

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Blame where blame is due. The government insisted that the ULEZ happened using both legislation and finance. The government paid for scrappage schemes in other cities but refused to finance one for London. I can only assume that that was because they do not like the mayor.

I can’t believe Pratts Bottom’s affected by ULEZ! I genuinely approve of cleaner air quality but I am literally TERRIFIED of the way our rulers and leaders lack common sense!

Exactly @MrsKnows The ULEZ expansion is heading into what many would consider the countryside. There are actual working farms within the zone. Villages with little or no bus service. I don’t know if there are any exemptions for farm vehicles but there will be LOTS within the zone and they often have to go on main roads to move around the land or to deliver produce.

You think ULEZ is poorly thought through and unbalanced in its unfair impact on certain sectors of society (for instance, those with fairly new but still 'bad' vehicles who can't afford to replace and can't rely on patchy or impractical public transport)?

Google '15 minute neighbourhood Oxford'. I take the bus (park&ride) into Oxford, we hardly ever drive. But sometimes we need to. I have other friends who cannot rely on the increasingly crappy bus service (not enough drivers, mostly) in and out of time and have to rely on their cars to get to work (sometimes, in the hospitals - HCPs are not exempt!).

We have a hybrid car and almost always use the electric setting on that - no matter. Fully electric cars are also not exempt. So we have limited days per year to drive into the city. That doesn't put us out anywhere near as much as friends who work there daily.

It was a concept founded on very good (utopian?) ideals but trying to bash it into daily reality is going to be extremely painful. Just about ok if you already live IN Oxford, are within a 15 minute walk of your school, your GPs and dentist (ha!), the vet, your local shops (assuming you're happy to buy everything from overpriced convenience stores or cute boutique health and organic shops) and your work, AND are able-bodied/not autistic/learning disabled. (some people rely on car transport to keep their LD children as safe as possible.) If not, you're a bit screwed.

Zebras - can't your 90 year old neighbour have their shopping delivered?

Not to be ageist, because I know there are older people who absolutely are tech savvy.

But my mum is a couple of decades younger than that and hasn’t managed to get to grips with getting groceries delivered.

Perhaps they like to get out and about not be always at home

Zebras - can't your 90 year old neighbour have their shopping delivered?

Maybe they like to get out of the house to shop? Good exercise and sociable? Horrible to think of elderly people feeling they can't leave their homes because of this scheme.

Scribblingpixie, also possible to exercise and socialise without a car

Honestly, these kinds of scemes are almost always environmentally idiotic.

Producing a new car is hugely environmentally damaging as is getting rid of an old one.

Cars have a natural lifespan, most will never hit the 20 year mark, many will be lucky to see 15. Scrapping cars early to save the environment (which isn't just about emissionsbtw, look at the impact of mining) is just moronic.

Rudderless, maybe some will just give up cars, so no new car

What will happen to all the old cars, will they pile up in a scrapyard

Great for the environment not

Last figure I saw for deaths in the London ULEZ area resulting from air pollution was about 4000pa.

A scrap Car better than a polluting car causing traffic jams

The Ikea in Edmonton recently went out of business, apparently ebcause people from outside London were less happy to travel and pay and preferred to stay and shop outside London, rather than come in. Think of how many jobs were lost there.

I think he lied about the figures

Scrapped cars have usable components removed and then almost all of what is left is recycled.

Imperial College London is a much more reliable source of information than the oil companies and right wing politicians with a reputation for dishonesty. https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-2845-2223