To wonder what all the fuss is about ULEZ

[Winterday1991]

Hardly anyone is affected, only if you have a very old car. No, you should not be free to pollute the air by driving around in a polluting vehicle and so should have to pay a penalty to do so.

It annoys me as everyone agrees we need to tackle climate change, but no one wants the hit on their life/ change their lifestyles.

Am I the only one who just doesn't believe air pollution is causing as many health problems and deaths as we are being told? I'm not saying it's not an issue but our air is cleaner than it ever was since the industrial revolution surely? I mean I've heard thousands are dropping down dead, childrens hospitals are full of kids affected by this, mothers are routinely performing cpr, teenagers are suffering from high blood pressure, kids lungs are stunted...I just don't believe it.

Some people just want something - anything - to moan about. Plus some people don't even believe climate change exists.

Oh don't be ridiculous. Have you any idea how ignorant and overheated you sound🙄

Well said

It is about changing the amount of particulate emission, which is directly killing people, not about climate change. Teslas don’t produce ultra fine particles, which are the ones that kill people. Thus, they don’t pay this charge.

He said, she said. Politically motivated bs

Is it though

It's the double standards with the Heathrow and HS2 lorries nearby

One of my friends has a car which is 25+ years old. It was her parents' car when she was a teenager and they gave it to her when she passed her test. She's driven it ever since and has never seen the need to replace it. She's very fond of her car. It's sad that the ULEZ expansion may cause people to scrap and replace perfectly good cars without clear evidence of an environmental benefit once the emissions from producing new vehicles are taken into account.

If you live outside greater London but work or visit it you have had literally no say in the scheme but are wholly affected, in many place near me one end of a road is a county the other greater London. ..the scrappage scheme isn't applicable and alternative means of transport are crap and not as plentiful or as convenient as central London. Loads of people with relatively new vehicles have had to sell them. You seem wholly blind to the cost of living crisis in your posts. Yes we need to control pollution but this scheme is half baked and not ready for roll out.

You need to do some research.

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I do think there should be more help for people in this situation BUT as someone who lives in the new ulez with a lot of road pollution and with a child who has been hospitalised for a condition worsened by pollution, I do think the health benefits are really important.

What I don't understand is why I'm paying £360 road tax for a ulex 4x4. With a 1.5 l engine

My car is 10 years old, hardly ancient! It's £20 a year tax due to low emissions yet I'd still have to pay the ULEZ and any CAZ fees so is it clean or not?

If you dont understand the fuss you either live nowhere near outer london or have a new car/ use entirely public transport so arent impacted.
It impacts people with slightly older, but not very old, cars, for example my car is 8 years old perfectly good condition but I have to pay ulez.
It divides communities so where my mum lives literally half of one road is classed as london the other half is in kent, To drive just down the road over london border to visit friends, family or go to the nearest supermarket would mean paying ulez charge.
People cant afford newer cars, and scrapping reliable cars in good condition that are less than 10 years old seems madness. If you suddenly cant go to your nearest sainsburys, or visit your family without paying ulez charge it starts to negatively impact your life in a major way.
Those who voted in uxbridge are right next to heathrow airport so to say they need to update their cars whilst theres god knows how many planes flying above them every day is ridiculous.
There does need to be less pollution but ulez isnt targeting it in the right way. It seems more like a money spinner for local government and disproportionately impacts the less well off.

1. lots of people in London don’t use their cars very much so they have old cars.
2. upgrading a car to a new one that you don’t use very much is expensive and bad for the environment.
3. Most people in London park in the street, so if you have to move your car around the corner when the council does drain cleaning etc. you pay the charge every time you do this.
4. it is an additional tax to raise more money, not an environmentally friendly policy.
5. if it hardly impacts anyone, as your post suggests, why introduce it?

Ulez benefits people on a lower income who have to breathe very polluted air because they are forced to live, work and/or go to school on London’s main roads.

To the diesel drivers out there complaining about the charge - you might have a different point of view if you had experienced your child dealing with health issues caused by air pollution eg a bad asthma attack or respiratory complications.

Yet 57 and 58 plate cars i.e very cheap ones, are ULEZ compliant.

I didn't believe what some posters were saying, so i put in the plate of my partners 57 plate SEAT Ibiza - ULEZ compliant - not that he'll every go nr London.

Anything with a euro 4 petrol or euro 6 Diesel is fine.

HS2 Lorries aren't in central London, neither is HRW, though HS2 is a total waste of money

YES, my child’s school is on a major A road. I think this will be a positive thing from that point of view. The pollution breaks EU limits in our area and especially near the school.

@Winterday1991
"Old and disabled"?

You're a delight, aren't you?

£90 pw to take a child to school REALLY!

Reading as don't know anything

My 59 plate isn’t , my DP’s 14 plate van isn’t either

Well, this is interesting - I just typed in does my car fit the ULEZ standards and the first website said it did not, with a handy link to used car buyers. The government site states it does meet standards. So scammers out there already.

What about people with lower rate PIP for mobility problems? The payment is not enough to fund or hire a new car, so there is no choice but to use an old car, or be housebound. What about gas guzzling 4WDs on the school run? Ought there to be a fine for those or for driving short distances when there is a viable alternative?