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School Report Y5 Help!!

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Zozo1990 · 19/07/2023 23:49

Hello everyone,

Would like some advice from primary teachers, my DD finished school yesterday for summer and was provided with a school report. We've had two parents' evenings wherein the teacher was very positive and said my DD is working at expected levels and at greater depth in some aspects of maths and science in particular. She said she was expecting her to reach greater depth for maths at the end of the year.

I've got the report and it says, she's working at expected level for all subjects.

And for English she has ticked expected level and working towards. I don't understand which one it is? Why are both ticked off for English?

AIBU if I email the HT to clarify, and if she is below target, why did they not inform me earlier when in parents' meetings, the teacher has said she is doing really well. My partner and I have iterated several times to the teacher, please inform us of any gaps or struggles she has so that we may assist her at home. Furthermore, I've approached the teacher throughout the year to ask if my DD is doing okay, is there anything extra I can do for her over the holidays (half terms, Christmas, Easter) and she has always said no extra work needs to be done aside from standard spellings and multiplication practice for all children.

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cansu · 20/07/2023 20:09

She is at expected standard. Greater depth is a meaningless standard in any case. You have been told that your dd is doing well and is meeting the expected standard. I have literally no idea what you are concerned about.

Zozo1990 · 20/07/2023 20:16

cansu · 20/07/2023 20:09

She is at expected standard. Greater depth is a meaningless standard in any case. You have been told that your dd is doing well and is meeting the expected standard. I have literally no idea what you are concerned about.

She was predicted GD throught the entire year but has got below standard for reading, so I am concerned why my child didn't even get the expected standard for that. Surely, I have a right to be concerned and wanting to know why this has happened, when did they notice that she isn't at the expected standard and why didn't they notify me.

I send my child to school for six and a half hours, not to come out of there being below standard when she has parents who are willing to help and aid her to get where she should be and fulfil her potential.

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WhatADrabCarpet · 20/07/2023 20:20

Please don't fret.
KS2 levels are far to prescriptive.

You'll get a much clearer report at Secondary School.

Zozo1990 · 20/07/2023 20:26

WhatADrabCarpet · 20/07/2023 20:20

Please don't fret.
KS2 levels are far to prescriptive.

You'll get a much clearer report at Secondary School.

Thank you.

All the other local schools have had an end of year parents' evening with reports given a week beforehand, this school has just handed a report on the last day of school with no remit for questions or clarity for parents.

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babbscrabbs · 20/07/2023 20:31

Zozo1990 · 20/07/2023 07:42

I'm miffed because I have always asked the teacher to inform me where my child is struggling. She's always said DD is doing fine. No homework is ever given.

And I agree, fair enough, it's a good report and what bearings does that have on her future? Nothing. She's the youngest in the class too, Aug 28th. In Reception, I had to work hard to catch her up to her cohort as she literally turned 4 and started school a few days later, bless her.

But she's not struggling? She's not below standard?

And she's the youngest in her class as you say.

So actually given that she's doing really well!

You were never told she was working at greater depth in all areas.

babbscrabbs · 20/07/2023 20:35

You're coming across as a pushy parent to me, certainly.

Does her report say that your DD is going her best, is she determined and hard working?

You could most likely best help your child focusing on effort not achievement.

cansu · 20/07/2023 20:36

The teacher ticked both boxes. This means that she has met both standards. It is hardly likely that she is below standard and I think you know this.

zoemum2006 · 20/07/2023 20:36

Is DD taking her 11+ in September? What type of grammar system do you have in your area? How much tutoring has she had?

I got both my girls through their 11+ and you can’t really rely on the school to impact that in any way.

You either need to get a tutor or work with her. Do you know what the 11+ in your area tests and what the required standard is?

cansu · 20/07/2023 20:38

There are no standardised scores for greater depth at this age. Seriously, you are making a fuss about nothing.

WinniFinniHadog · 20/07/2023 20:38

Zozo1990 · 20/07/2023 20:16

She was predicted GD throught the entire year but has got below standard for reading, so I am concerned why my child didn't even get the expected standard for that. Surely, I have a right to be concerned and wanting to know why this has happened, when did they notice that she isn't at the expected standard and why didn't they notify me.

I send my child to school for six and a half hours, not to come out of there being below standard when she has parents who are willing to help and aid her to get where she should be and fulfil her potential.

Bloody hell OP, she's 9, give the kid a break 😬 she is at expected level, she's happy, healthy and settled in school.

Could be worse you could be like me, a child with ALN and a reading age 5 years lower than his actual age! Unable to write clearly and refusing most days to attend and I need to drag him in screaming. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Take a deep breath OP, it will all be fine.

AngelAurora · 20/07/2023 20:40

She is in Year 5 just chill

writingsonthewall · 20/07/2023 20:40

Zozo1990 · 20/07/2023 00:18

Her report is good, btw, I'm really proud of her. I'm just a bit shocked as I was expecting greater depth for maths as that what the teacher said in parents' meeting before Easter. I just feel like they've handed a report on the last day of school and now parents are unable to raise any concerns they have. Is this how reports are normally done in other schools.

Yes it is! They do it every time. Anything slight controversial, let's send it home last day of term so parents have no come back.

WhatADrabCarpet · 20/07/2023 20:41

You have to wonder why a school sends such a late report in order to deflect any comeback.

When my , now adult children went to Secondary school( they went to different schools) I was incredulous as to the way they tracked both of them.

Both schools, at our first parent's' evenings, said that they disregarded the primary school's reports/levels and did their own assessments which were more akin to how we felt our children were performing.
It was a sigh of relief.

I really feel that primary education needs a massive overhaul, and I say this as a former Governor and an Assistant SENCO of nearly twenty years.

babbscrabbs · 20/07/2023 20:46

Zozo1990 · 20/07/2023 20:26

Thank you.

All the other local schools have had an end of year parents' evening with reports given a week beforehand, this school has just handed a report on the last day of school with no remit for questions or clarity for parents.

We got ours something like 4 days before end of term, and no parents evening. It's been day before end of term in previous years.

Zozo1990 · 20/07/2023 20:53

zoemum2006 · 20/07/2023 20:36

Is DD taking her 11+ in September? What type of grammar system do you have in your area? How much tutoring has she had?

I got both my girls through their 11+ and you can’t really rely on the school to impact that in any way.

You either need to get a tutor or work with her. Do you know what the 11+ in your area tests and what the required standard is?

Yes, she is. She has a brilliant tutor and she has said that DD is secure in her grammar and maths. She needs a bit more help in other areas and they're working more on that from next week.

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Zozo1990 · 20/07/2023 20:57

WhatADrabCarpet · 20/07/2023 20:41

You have to wonder why a school sends such a late report in order to deflect any comeback.

When my , now adult children went to Secondary school( they went to different schools) I was incredulous as to the way they tracked both of them.

Both schools, at our first parent's' evenings, said that they disregarded the primary school's reports/levels and did their own assessments which were more akin to how we felt our children were performing.
It was a sigh of relief.

I really feel that primary education needs a massive overhaul, and I say this as a former Governor and an Assistant SENCO of nearly twenty years.

Exactly, why give it so late. A senior teacher friend of mine has said she would absolutely expect parents to query any results that were not what was expected. She said end of year reports should largely reflect what is said on parents' evenings, not new information that surprises parents. And if there is new information then provide parents a proper opportunity to discuss and ask relevant questions.

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surreygirl1987 · 20/07/2023 22:50

I'm miffed because I have always asked the teacher to inform me where my child is struggling. She's always said DD is doing fine

But.. she is doing fine? And she's not struggling? What is the issue here?

surreygirl1987 · 20/07/2023 22:56

Exactly, why give it so late. A senior teacher friend of mine has said she would absolutely expect parents to query any results that were not what was expected. She said end of year reports should largely reflect what is said on parents' evenings, not new information that surprises parents. And if there is new information then provide parents a proper opportunity to discuss and ask relevant questions.

Oh jeez not another one of these. My school has just done the opposite and changed FROM an end of year parents' evening TO a report... at the request of the parents! 😂 Just can't make everyone happy.

Also, I find the 'report should reflect what was said in parents' evening' suggestion bizarre. What's the point in the report in that case...? 🤦‍♀️

PeggyPoggle · 20/07/2023 23:05

Reports are given late because teachers have to do end of year assessments first to see how the kids are doing, then mark them, then write reports.
Schools don't deliberately give them out on the last day to avoid parental backlash...

strawberryandcreams · 20/07/2023 23:28

Oh ffs. Come on.

Outwiththenorm · 20/07/2023 23:28

Zozo1990 · 20/07/2023 20:57

Exactly, why give it so late. A senior teacher friend of mine has said she would absolutely expect parents to query any results that were not what was expected. She said end of year reports should largely reflect what is said on parents' evenings, not new information that surprises parents. And if there is new information then provide parents a proper opportunity to discuss and ask relevant questions.

I remember our secondary maths teacher saying similar to us as we retested the first week of high school - and that was 30 years ago! So nothing new there.

Could the issue be that formally assessing primary age children is a total waste of time…? 🤔 And also secondary teachers only assess their subject, unlike primary?

JimmyGrimble · 21/07/2023 20:48

I’m confused … you say you get no homework but don’t they suggest reading for homework? A reasonably able Y5 child shouldn’t have difficulty with the expected standard in reading. If they’re reading daily and discussing books. If she’s doing this then it could just be the assessment used. In m school we don’t award GD unless it’s backed up by high performance in independent work and tests. The teacher probably expected your daughter to get there and it didn’t happen. Or she’s dipped this term. Either way, now you know you need to work on comprehension to prepare her for Y6.
In Primary we are obliged to report to parents three times a year. This is generally two parents meetings and a report. Reports take weeks to write and check and have to come after assessments. End of year assessments come at the end, when we’ve covered the curriculum.

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