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“Prejudiced and nasty” Nigel Farage…

635 replies

MangetoutsaysGetOutMan · 19/07/2023 17:53

… doesn’t understand irony.

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AutumnCrow · 25/07/2023 18:48

Well I would imagine that's a breach of the law, i.e. DPA for starters, so what's with the 'reflected in bonuses' crap? Has the CEO bunged the ghastly Farage a million quid or something?

This just gets murkier, and yes the BBC very much DID do something wrong in going along with the word of sherryville* loose-lips

*credit: @Wingedharpy

StefanosHill · 25/07/2023 18:50

AutumnCrow · 25/07/2023 18:48

Well I would imagine that's a breach of the law, i.e. DPA for starters, so what's with the 'reflected in bonuses' crap? Has the CEO bunged the ghastly Farage a million quid or something?

This just gets murkier, and yes the BBC very much DID do something wrong in going along with the word of sherryville* loose-lips

*credit: @Wingedharpy

😂

Snorkers · 25/07/2023 18:51

So if I work in a natwest bank and decide to leak private and sensitive fonancial (false at that) information about a high profile customer to the news - in what world woud I keep my job?
Sack this vile rights for my but not for thy santimonious liar now

Snorkers · 25/07/2023 18:52

In fact I am sure the police would be involved!

GailBlancheViola · 25/07/2023 18:59

This is surely causing serious reputational harm to Coutts/Nat West, I am sure other customers are now wondering what has been said about them and their accounts to journalists.

Nobody in a Bank should be discussing anyone's financial details with someone outside of the Bank.

AutumnCrow · 25/07/2023 18:59

By law this has to be reported to the Information Commissioner as a serious data breach. Same with the BBC as they disseminated it.

GailBlancheViola · 25/07/2023 19:00

AutumnCrow · 25/07/2023 18:59

By law this has to be reported to the Information Commissioner as a serious data breach. Same with the BBC as they disseminated it.

It better be if that is the case and I hope they both get hammered for it.

AutumnCrow · 25/07/2023 19:02

GailBlancheViola · 25/07/2023 19:00

It better be if that is the case and I hope they both get hammered for it.

Farage can himself but he may prefer to play them for all its worth - which is the power that these utter fools have handed to him.

GailBlancheViola · 25/07/2023 19:08

I think they thought they'd get away with it because Farage @AutumnCrow, fucking fools and as you say they've now handed him a Golden Ticket.

StefanosHill · 25/07/2023 19:09

AutumnCrow · 25/07/2023 18:59

By law this has to be reported to the Information Commissioner as a serious data breach. Same with the BBC as they disseminated it.

Interesting. Suckers both.

Wingedharpy · 25/07/2023 19:54

That's it for me now.
I'm moving my £50 from Coutts Bank with immediate effect!

Chersfrozenface · 25/07/2023 19:59

Wingedharpy · 25/07/2023 19:54

That's it for me now.
I'm moving my £50 from Coutts Bank with immediate effect!

😂

Still, that's another reason I want to win the Lottery. Winners are given the option to receive advice from Coutts and I could arrange a meeting and tell them to FOTTFSOF.

Swrigh1234 · 25/07/2023 20:08

The ‘progressives’ are frothing at the moment, writhing around not knowing what to do. More so on this thread than anywhere else. You would think they would graciously admit that they have been made a fool by the woke, but yet they keep digging deeper.

Qbishy · 25/07/2023 21:05

Swrigh1234 · 20/07/2023 20:11

Also Farage submitting another subject access request to find out who gave his personal financials information to the BBC.

Would like to see NatWest defend itself. As for the BBC, it’s full of morons.

Clearly she realised she was about to be outed... Hence the new apology. Even Simon Jack has disowned her, and he's the one she blabbed to.

AutumnCrow · 25/07/2023 21:12

Newsnight's going to be fun.

Qbishy · 25/07/2023 21:25

Qbish · 19/07/2023 20:56

Indeed. Coutts allowed it to be believed that NF's bank account was closed because it did not reach the wealth limit required.

Which is a MASSIVE confidentiality breach.

Coutts have really stuffed up here, in many ways. And yes, we own half of NatWest, which owns Coutts!

So, way back at the beginning of this thread, some of us could see what the issues were. And now it's all playing out.

She'll be gone from NatWest very soon. This is horribly uncomfortable for them, for many reasons.

Qbishy · 25/07/2023 21:26

AutumnCrow · 25/07/2023 21:12

Newsnight's going to be fun.

Ha! I might tune in, for once.

Qbishy · 25/07/2023 21:39

She's really floundering. But it won't save her, although it may bring some others down with her.

Andrew Neil:

Somewhat incredibly Nat West CEO Alison Rose excuses blabbing to the BBC about Farage accounts because she thought it was already “public knowledge”! So why didn’t she wonder/pause for thought when BBC called later to check if it could use what she told it.

Interestingly she also says “I was not part of the decision-making process to exit Mr Farage. This decision was made by Coutts and I was informed in April that this was for commercial reasons.”

Perhaps she’s just thrown Coutts CEO Peter Flavel under a bus.

She adds:
“At the time of my conversations with [the BBC], I was not in receipt of the contents of the Coutts Wealth Reputational Risk Committee materials subsequently released by Mr Farage.”

Yet that report says the decision was referred up (to Flavel?). And to the Group risk committee ie Nat West committee.

Yet she wasn’t in the loop when it came to dumping one of their highest profile customers.

Is she paving the way for deputy heads to roll?

AnSolas · 25/07/2023 21:49

GailBlancheViola · 25/07/2023 18:43

Is this the Bank's equivalent of the Football Club Chairman having full confidence in the Manager who is then sacked 48 hours later?

Alison Rose should be sacked immediately, this is surely a serious breach of data shooting your mouth off to a BBC journalist about a client?

If you sack her now ....... who do you sack when all the official reports are published?

AnSolas · 25/07/2023 22:10

AutumnCrow · 25/07/2023 18:48

Well I would imagine that's a breach of the law, i.e. DPA for starters, so what's with the 'reflected in bonuses' crap? Has the CEO bunged the ghastly Farage a million quid or something?

This just gets murkier, and yes the BBC very much DID do something wrong in going along with the word of sherryville* loose-lips

*credit: @Wingedharpy

The core problem is the CEO is in charge of all the day to day processes in the bank and the Board have to fix pay to the problem which happend on her watch.

She is an approved person by the FCA, as someone who should be trustworthy to carry out her duty to make sure everybody else in the bank followed the law eg. AML is a core competency requirement for senior decision makers. PEP would be a more niche AML core competency but all at risk accounts should be supervised by a specialised team.

The NF's wealth management team need to be PEP specialists who had the basic ethos to follow the NW Rules (At best that team went rogue and added their own rules this one time).

^That is why she is paid a salary.

She gets paid additional money (bonus and share options etc) if and as the bank makes money/profit

The bank have 3 (contigent) liability to knock off the profit number
Fines from breach of fair dealing with a customer
Fines from the data breach
Financial costs of compensation to NF
The bank have admitted to the facts but are not yet sure of the total cost

but there will be additional costs

With this one decision she as CEO, has caused an FCA investigation, which like any investigation, will find some problems and cost in fines.
Firstly by failing to manage the wealth committees decision making process; Q are the NW Rules unlawful (this is a very expensive bit to check) or did NW (staff) management systems fail to detect the rogue employees (in this instance there was no aML but how often are they or other teams not following the NW Rules)
Then by failing to have a process to spot the error; it got signed off by someone she employed (senior manager(s) who should have "whistleblowed" up to the CEO/ Board)
Then she was made aware of the decision; Q did she read the report and not see a problem or how many other second senior members read or should have read the report.
Then she told the newspapers ....

So the Board have to look at what all the senior staff knew or should have known.
Throw in the external data breach investigation here.

The Board are going to be firefighting to prove they as a bank are fit for purpose rather than planning for the future and senior staff are in investigation meeting not looking after the day to day business.
The financial markets will price this into the value of NW shares and the interest NW will have to pay to borrow money.

And both investigation will result in "recomendations" which will cost money to implement (eg. 1 hour extra training per 38 employees results needing an extra employee to finish the same volume of work).

They may loose ( rich) account income if people dont want to risk having their business splashed over the papers or told to business rivals or being locked out of their account.
They may loose business income as deals moved to other providers if client's business partners who dont bank at NW dont want the AML checks result in their deal ending up in the papers etc.

Loads of fun and games 🤷 in managing reputation risk.

AutumnCrow · 25/07/2023 22:41

Qbishy · 25/07/2023 21:26

Ha! I might tune in, for once.

Looks like they're not running with it tonight. Which is interesting in its own right, as the BBC is once again 'the story', that the BBC is supposed to be impartially reporting on.

Barbadossunset · 25/07/2023 22:46

AnSolas thank you for a very interesting post.

AutumnCrow · 25/07/2023 22:48

Yes, thanks @AnSolas - I'm just reading through again.

Qbishy · 25/07/2023 22:57

Wow @AnSolas , what an amazing explanation. Thank you. There's so much more going to go on here than we civilians realise. What a shit show!

Qbishy · 25/07/2023 22:58

Why the NatWest board said that she has their confidence, I don't know. Either way, she's tarnished now and will be out soon.

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