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To think scrapping inheritance tax would not be popular with voters

620 replies

Lanadelday · 17/07/2023 12:44

I'd say I can't believe the conservatives are considering it, but nothing surprises me any more that they do. But AIBU to think most people wouldn't back this anyway- I can't see it being a big vote winner and don't think they really get that voters are sick of all the inequality and so many people including kids and elderly, living in poverty, not wanting to make it worse.

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Namechange2625 · 17/07/2023 13:31

Onlyonedog · 17/07/2023 13:17

I thought Inheritance tax kicked in on anything over £325k? (I may be wrong) which is more or less the average house price in UK so majority of people will pay some? Have I misunderstood? I'm hoping that I have.

In the SE you can't buy a house for much less than £325k. Flats typically start at £215k. It's easy to see why it would be a vote winner when playing with those numbers!

hattie43 · 17/07/2023 13:32

Lanadelday · 17/07/2023 12:59

I really believe most people are not that selfish. It's going to just make inequality so much worse and whether or not people can get a house will depend on their parents. I think people who've 'made money' just through luck via house price rises mainly would think inheritance tax on that unearned wealth is fair.

I think you're naive .

Davestwattymissus · 17/07/2023 13:32

I'd prefer it if they got rid of stamp duty instead!

Hugasauras · 17/07/2023 13:33

And definitely I think the fundamental point is that culturally and traditionally, British people as a whole are against establishment interference when it comes to assets or fruits of labour they feel they have worked for to leave for their children. It's not popular and I think it would definitely win more voters than tip anyone the other way.

midgetastic · 17/07/2023 13:33

We need to raise more taxes if we want things health and roads and security and education to be affordable for all

Tax rises can no longer come from the middle

So they have to come from the top

And if you have worked hard and bought a house that has then massively increased in value you have not worked any harder than someone who never quite got out of rented accommodation

Namechange2625 · 17/07/2023 13:35

towriteyoumustlive · 17/07/2023 13:29

I can see both sides of this.

In some areas most family homes would take you over the threshold for inheritance tax. My parents home plus savings would be hit with a hefty bill, and yet all those savings have come from years of hard work and already being taxed on that earned money.

It's effectively a double tax on 10% of the population, most of whom are penalised for living in an expensive area.

On the other hand... where is the extra tax going to come from??

I live in the South East with a 4 bed family home, so will probably pay a huge amount of inheritance tax when I die.

But I guess I'd rather they took the money from the dead than hit hard the living!

My parents are doing their best to spend what they can now with lots of holidays. I'll probably downsize to a cheaper area one day then do the same!

We are strongly encouraging our parents to blow the lot too and make sure they have a pot left over for care fees if they're needed.

If it was only some areas it wouldn't be so bad but it's nearly all areas now. Even parts of the county I'm in that were undesirable are reaching silly money for homes.

meganorks · 17/07/2023 13:37

I think a lot of people would love inheritance tax to be scrapped because they wrongly assume it will apply to them. The threshold where you start paying is essentially half a million per parent. So if one goes first and everything passes to the surviving parent, the allowance also carries over. So you basically have a million between property, cash and other assets before you start getting taxed.

If you think people inheriting a million quid shouldn't pay any tax on it, you need to give your head a wobble

Namechange2625 · 17/07/2023 13:37

Hugasauras · 17/07/2023 13:33

And definitely I think the fundamental point is that culturally and traditionally, British people as a whole are against establishment interference when it comes to assets or fruits of labour they feel they have worked for to leave for their children. It's not popular and I think it would definitely win more voters than tip anyone the other way.

This is why as a nation we default back to a Tory government. Socially left of a lot of other Conservative governments of other nations they fit the need of the British psyche

Hugasauras · 17/07/2023 13:37

It's not just UK either - IHT is a contentious issue across the world generally. Some countries have scrapped it entirely, others have way lower rates, or very high rates but the threshold is accordingly very high too, and some countries exclude lineal heirs from having to pay any at all.

Zebedee999 · 17/07/2023 13:38

My parents, nor myself, are ever likely to pay inheritance tax, but I'm not the jealous type and believe that once you've paid your income tax you shouldn't be taxed again on that money when you die.
To be frank, the system has enough money, they just choose to waste it on rubbish, can't go to a hospital now without seeing pride coloured zebra crossings at £45k a go, or schools without pride flags and so on... just the tip of an iceberg of wasted money.

RebelR · 17/07/2023 13:39

meganorks · 17/07/2023 13:37

I think a lot of people would love inheritance tax to be scrapped because they wrongly assume it will apply to them. The threshold where you start paying is essentially half a million per parent. So if one goes first and everything passes to the surviving parent, the allowance also carries over. So you basically have a million between property, cash and other assets before you start getting taxed.

If you think people inheriting a million quid shouldn't pay any tax on it, you need to give your head a wobble

Yes, this is exactly where I stand on the issue, but it's shocking how many people think the opposite. My dad and ILs spend a lot of time worrying about IT. Just spend it!

StarchySturgess1 · 17/07/2023 13:39

You're taxed on your wage, you're taxed on a property purchase, you're subject to capital gains tax if it's not your primary residence (and that could be for a multitude of reasons, none of them being smug greediness), you're taxed on your pension and then there's inheritance tax.

Scrap IHT, the government has had enough of what you have worked to build, people be able to leave it to their loved ones/whoever they see fit.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 17/07/2023 13:39

I would support scrapping IHT if it was replaced with CGT on the primary home.

Hugasauras · 17/07/2023 13:40

Namechange2625 · 17/07/2023 13:37

This is why as a nation we default back to a Tory government. Socially left of a lot of other Conservative governments of other nations they fit the need of the British psyche

Yes, fiscally conservative but socially liberal. An unfortunate dilemma.

StarchySturgess1 · 17/07/2023 13:41

Dibblydoodahdah · 17/07/2023 13:08

@anniegun the rich tax plan so avoid paying it. It’s those in the middle that pay IHT like everything else. £400k on DH’s uncles estate despite him growing up in a council house and living like a pauper for most of his life.

This is a good point.

LauraNicolaides · 17/07/2023 13:41

If it was only some areas it wouldn't be so bad but it's nearly all areas now. Even parts of the county I'm in that were undesirable are reaching silly money for homes.

a) I think a major correction to house prices as we move back towards normal interest rates will solve this.

b) It's barely a problem because, as others have pointed out, the threshold is effectively £500k per parent. Anyone with a house still worth £1m by the end of this year is very rich!

MichelleScarn · 17/07/2023 13:42

EmmaGrundyForPM · 17/07/2023 13:31

But that's not what happens.

My parents worked, paid taxes, paid their mortgage (with tax relief on their mortgage payments). Never had a mortgage of more than £25,000.

Their current house is valued at around £450k. So has increased in value by approx £425k since the last mortgage. Neither of my parents have paid a penny in tax on that amazing increase in their assets.

My dad has now died, when my Mum dies my sister and I will inherit approx £225K each, none of which we earned ourselves, and we won't pay IHT because it will be under threshold.

I'm all for increasing IHT. Even if it was 50%, I'd still get over £100k.

So @EmmaGrundyForPM am assuming you won't be accepting the full inheritance and making a big donation to local charity or food bank?

GasPanic · 17/07/2023 13:44

What's even more bonkers is if you actually implemented this (and saved 7 billion) then if you are going to keep service spending the same you are going to have to raise 7 billion from somewhere else.

Maybe we can squeeze the "squeezed middle" a bit harder. There's more blood in there to be had.

Glittertwins · 17/07/2023 13:45

Nope, I've been taxed on it and I want a say on giving it to my DCs. I'm not over privileged by a long shot. If people want to pay more, fine but don't take that choice from me. I am happy to give as much as I can to them.

CouldIHaveThatInEnglishPlease · 17/07/2023 13:45

I once voted Tories because they promised I could buy my HA home with the same right to buy discount that council tenants get. 11years later that still hasn’t come into effect
My (very middle class, always voted Tory) parents once voted Tory because they promised there would be a cap on care home fees. The quickly scrapped that as soon as they were voted in and my poor nans savings have gone from almost £500k to £20k 😢

they can promise anything they like, we will never vote for them at the next GE, because we don’t believe they will actually deliver

Elphame · 17/07/2023 13:45

Lanadelday · 17/07/2023 12:44

I'd say I can't believe the conservatives are considering it, but nothing surprises me any more that they do. But AIBU to think most people wouldn't back this anyway- I can't see it being a big vote winner and don't think they really get that voters are sick of all the inequality and so many people including kids and elderly, living in poverty, not wanting to make it worse.

It's a thoroughly unfair tax at the moment and it's relatively easy to reduce or avoid altogether if you get some proper advice.

Namechange2625 · 17/07/2023 13:47

LauraNicolaides · 17/07/2023 13:41

If it was only some areas it wouldn't be so bad but it's nearly all areas now. Even parts of the county I'm in that were undesirable are reaching silly money for homes.

a) I think a major correction to house prices as we move back towards normal interest rates will solve this.

b) It's barely a problem because, as others have pointed out, the threshold is effectively £500k per parent. Anyone with a house still worth £1m by the end of this year is very rich!

I just did a very scientific experiment and put into Rightmove with a 40 mile radius of a random bit of London. No min beds. £1million min and max budget.

Most of what has come up is what I would call typical family suburban homes. We aren't talking mega mansions for this money we are talking homes that allow people to commute to London.

The property market is flawed.

LauraNicolaides · 17/07/2023 13:47

MichelleScarn · 17/07/2023 13:42

So @EmmaGrundyForPM am assuming you won't be accepting the full inheritance and making a big donation to local charity or food bank?

This is not really a helpful response.

The point of wanting tax to go up is to raise significant amounts for public services and to spread the cost fairly. An individual donating to charity makes no real difference.

Namechange2625 · 17/07/2023 13:48

My (very middle class, always voted Tory) parents once voted Tory because they promised there would be a cap on care home fees.

But there is a cap on care home fees.

midgetastic · 17/07/2023 13:48

Oh poor people who have had to pay tax on their earnings

and then don't want to pay tax on unearned wealth

And then would rather watch people other die, live in squalor , provided it's not their darling children - hope you leave them enough to live in a gated community with its own private education and health service if you really want a dog eat dog country