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AIBU?

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would you think this is enough in a relationship?

22 replies

moonandshadows · 10/07/2023 19:18

AIBU to think this is enough?

I wonder if I am losing perspective on my relationship so keen to see how you would feel.

My partner and I have been in a relationship for 20 years, we are both mid 40s. We have two wonderful kids aged 4 and 8.

He is a very reliable person who puts his family as his top priority. He does not care much about going out with friends, he is a very introverted, so he dedicates all his time to his work, house, and children. At home he also likes his time for himself, as I do, so we often take turns in being with the children. I know that I can count on him. He is the first person I want to speak with if I have any problem. He does his fair shar with the kids and the house, is a very attentive father and financially contributes more than I do.

We have similar over arching values – we prioritize channelling our resources towards the children education and development and agree in which values we want to pass on. He complements my approach as well, as I can be quite negative and temperamental, and he is calmer and can see the good side of things. The kids absolutely adore him. He is not the fun type, but the calm type who is there to support them, take them to walks in the forest, etc. Although we fight sometimes, we overall have a stable relationship.

Now what is the problem. He has an issue with public or private displays of affection. It is not natural to him to hug, kiss, or cuddle. In public this would be impossible, he just recoils if initiate it, not in an aggressive manner, but more like he is trying to be discreet but he could not bare the discomfort. At home he would indulge me for a few seconds but terminate it as when he thinks is acceptable. He is just not a very tactile person, even with the children although he absolutely loves them and he is very caring, he does not feel the urge to kiss them and hug them as I do. The only time where he initiates or responds positively to physical contact is when we have sex.

Aside from the first year in our relationship, he has been always like this. He has no interest in other women, so that is not the reason. I have got used to it but when I see other couples being affectuous it does get to me.

We also have different approaches to social life. I like going out with friends and he hates it. He sometimes tags along but I always have to worry if he is not being left out. Most of the people we would meet we know them through me, as he is very polite and agreeable, but not sociable, so he does not seek friends, for him me and the kids are all he needs. This used to also upset me, but I have got used to socialise much less, and often without him.

We don’t have that many common hobbies either. We both like exercising, him much more than me, and we mostly talk about the children, the day to day life, or current affairs.

Now I do love him, I think he is physically an attractive man, in much better shape than most men his age. However, we are missing the ‘having fun together’ element. It will not change, we have spoken about these many times and he says he tries his best, he is as he is, and if that is not enough, he is sorry but can’t do anything. I don’t feel attracted by any other men either, but I often miss this element of being physically cared for.

Am I being unreasonable to think this is fine?

OP posts:
pinkyredrose · 10/07/2023 19:20

You could do a lot worse. Do you still have sex?

OnlyFannys · 10/07/2023 19:24

Are you happy? What's enough for one person isn't enough for another so it really comes down to is it enough for you?

Dacadactyl · 10/07/2023 19:24

It's a hard one OP and I empathise. My husband is the same in a lot of ways.

Our kids are quite a bit older than yours (16 and 11. But DH and I are younger than you at 38 and 39) I do sometimes wonder how things will look once our kids have grown up, but there is nothing DH wouldn't do for us and that's enough for me.

I also think that when the kids are young like yours are, that you are stuck in the trenches so much that it can be harder to be sociable. As our kids have got older, DH has made more effort with socialising etc. So I hope it will continue as the kids continue to grow.

Whattodowithit88 · 10/07/2023 19:29

That’s a hard one because he does sound like a decent bloke and to be honest if he was very affectionate too he sounds like he would be perfect, and perfect doesn’t exist. Would you trade affection for a lazy man who doesn’t care about his kids?

Go with your gut but it does sound like the grass wouldn’t be greener on the other side for you

moonandshadows · 10/07/2023 19:30

pinkyredrose · 10/07/2023 19:20

You could do a lot worse. Do you still have sex?

Yes, we went through some periods of not having sex after child birth, mostly because i was not in the mood, but generally on a weekly basis, not that is programmed, it would just generally average that way, but if i would be in teh mood for more often, that would not be a problem.

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moonandshadows · 10/07/2023 19:32

OnlyFannys · 10/07/2023 19:24

Are you happy? What's enough for one person isn't enough for another so it really comes down to is it enough for you?

I think he is a very good person and I am glad to have him to share my life with, but I am not happy about the lack of physical caring on a day to day basis. Mostly I got used to it, but when I am with other couples I do feel that is missing in us, and then i wish I would be hugged like that as well. it is not that he does not care for me, he just can't show it that way.

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Winter2020 · 10/07/2023 19:38

Would he compromise and agree to have the odd hug, sit cuddled up for a movie now and then etc in the privacy of your own family rather than when you are with others?

You both sound quite fit and sporty and as your kids get older I expect you could have a lot of fun with sport - cycling, ice skating, hiking, paddleboarding, surfing, canoeing etc etc.

AuntMarch · 10/07/2023 19:43

Sounds absolutely fine to me... but then I think I'm probably more like your DH, so it would do!

I agree with pp, the things he does do outweigh what he doesn't in my opinion.
Only you can decide if it is enough for you though.

Medusaismyhero · 10/07/2023 19:47

I think you'll get a lot of people telling you how lucky you are but as others have said, if it's not enough for you then that's ok. My DH and I are hugely different and don't do much in the way of physical touching outside of sex but we're both ok with that. We do have a laugh together though...

moonandshadows · 10/07/2023 19:55

Winter2020 · 10/07/2023 19:38

Would he compromise and agree to have the odd hug, sit cuddled up for a movie now and then etc in the privacy of your own family rather than when you are with others?

You both sound quite fit and sporty and as your kids get older I expect you could have a lot of fun with sport - cycling, ice skating, hiking, paddleboarding, surfing, canoeing etc etc.

Well, at points I try, but is always very brief, and he likes to be next to me but reading things on his tablet. Also has very little interest in series or movies, so again, not something that we share there. Over summer we cycle a lot with the kids, go for walks, etc, he is definitely keen on doing things as a family, but is the shared fun as a couple that we don't have so much.

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moonandshadows · 10/07/2023 19:56

Whattodowithit88 · 10/07/2023 19:29

That’s a hard one because he does sound like a decent bloke and to be honest if he was very affectionate too he sounds like he would be perfect, and perfect doesn’t exist. Would you trade affection for a lazy man who doesn’t care about his kids?

Go with your gut but it does sound like the grass wouldn’t be greener on the other side for you

You are right, definitely would not trade that way ;)

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MrsRachelDanvers · 10/07/2023 19:58

I read somewhere that a marriage suffers because if someone looks to their spouse for qualities that aren’t there, they will be constantly disappointed. Touchy freely isn’t who your husband is. Is this something you can accept because all the other stuff is good? Does he like you being affectionate yourself with him when you’re not in public? Or is it something he tolerates? He sounds like a good, conscientious man who wants to do right by his family and is someone solid you can depend on. That’s worth a lot.
Physical affection is deeply important for some people-my second dh is very tactile and I love it-it really helps when we’re cross with each other. But he isn’t very sociable with others and I used to be quite disappointed he wasn’t the party type who is great at conversation. Over the years, I accept it much more and don’t mind nearly as much because he’s loving and constantly thinks of me and what I like. Could you be open with him about how much it would mean to you for him to show he cared by a touch, a kiss or a caress-or even a long look?

PTSDBarbiegirl · 10/07/2023 20:00

moonandshadows · 10/07/2023 19:32

I think he is a very good person and I am glad to have him to share my life with, but I am not happy about the lack of physical caring on a day to day basis. Mostly I got used to it, but when I am with other couples I do feel that is missing in us, and then i wish I would be hugged like that as well. it is not that he does not care for me, he just can't show it that way.

How much do you love him?! He's not a favourite blanket you can reasonably pass on to another woman who has only known selfish pig-men. I understand what you're saying but honestly it sounds like physical intimacy is the thing you're missing. You say it can't change but perhaps it can. Men like your DH want to make you happy and it's something you could build up to gradually. Men like him don't grow on trees and unfortunately you'd quickly find that out if you walked away. The exciting ones are usually utter shits.

moonandshadows · 10/07/2023 20:16

MrsRachelDanvers · 10/07/2023 19:58

I read somewhere that a marriage suffers because if someone looks to their spouse for qualities that aren’t there, they will be constantly disappointed. Touchy freely isn’t who your husband is. Is this something you can accept because all the other stuff is good? Does he like you being affectionate yourself with him when you’re not in public? Or is it something he tolerates? He sounds like a good, conscientious man who wants to do right by his family and is someone solid you can depend on. That’s worth a lot.
Physical affection is deeply important for some people-my second dh is very tactile and I love it-it really helps when we’re cross with each other. But he isn’t very sociable with others and I used to be quite disappointed he wasn’t the party type who is great at conversation. Over the years, I accept it much more and don’t mind nearly as much because he’s loving and constantly thinks of me and what I like. Could you be open with him about how much it would mean to you for him to show he cared by a touch, a kiss or a caress-or even a long look?

'Is this something you can accept because all the other stuff is good? Does he like you being affectionate yourself with him when you’re not in public? Or is it something he tolerates?'

Yes, it is something I have learnt to accept because the rest is good, but sometimes I find myself resenting not having that. Being affective with him his something that he tolerates, to use your words. TBH I even think it might be a sensory thing and he is also quite uneasy about his skin in contact with salty water, pool water, sand, etc. Not sure. He is definitely a good, conscientious man. I have been open with him many times about this, accompanied by varied emotions - sadness, irritation, etc. But I don't think it is in his behavioral reportoire. He will indulge me if i start a hug at home, but is not someting he enjoys, so i also don't take much pleasure of inflicting my physical affection on someone who is not truly enjoying it. He enjoys of course that I show that I love him, but he does not take pleasure the cuddles and physical contact, aside from when we have sex.

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flutterby1 · 10/07/2023 21:17

Someone said to me I was selfish not having a baby ( selfish to whom??) an entity that doesn't exist ????

I'm not childless now but I was late in having children.

Onlinetherapist · 10/08/2023 10:43

You would never need to trade one for the other though, presumably you wouldn’t be with a lazy man? There are men who are affectionate and also do equal amounts of household chores, childcare etc. So you could have both.

Is he affectionate with his words perhaps?

LucyGru · 10/08/2023 10:50

Life isn't perfect. You'd be a fool to throw away a happy life in search of perfection.

Hbh17 · 10/08/2023 11:08

He sounds fab - you are very lucky, OP.

parietal · 10/08/2023 11:17

do you laugh together? you said you don't share hobbies, but are there other (non physical) things you can enjoy together? a board game with the kids or a movie or a comedy show or something. it is important to have something shared even if that is not about physical contact.

maybe suggest that you make an effort to do one activity that he enjoys, even if it isn't your thing, and he makes an effort to do something you enjoy.

Busubaba · 10/08/2023 11:19

Gay. He's gay.

FartSock5000 · 10/08/2023 15:20

@moonandshadows your relationship ticks all the boxes but your basic need for affection, playfulness and touch isn't being met.

If you and your DH got divorced tomorrow and shared custody, would anything be that different? You'd have the chance to be with someone who can meet your needs and you'd still have ex DH to be your best friend.

I think DH is allowed to not want to touch or be touched BUT that should have been second place to your childrens needs because they DO need affection and touch and their needs trump his.

You can't call him a great dad if he won't hug his children.

You can't call him a great husband if he won't kiss you or hold your hand when you really need him to,

Maybe as time has gone by and you've grown and changed individually your needs have as well and he cannot meet them anymore?

Where is the fun, playfulness and flirting? The bum grabs and smooches. The hugs or holding hands in the street? Why do you have to go without those if you really want them?

You don't get a second change in life. This is it. Do you really want to be 70 years old and not had a hug for 10+ years because your DH just doens't want to?

2mummies1baby · 10/08/2023 16:48

If you decide this isn't enough for you, what would you do? Leave him? Is it really worth breaking up a family with two young children over? Especially as you say he's a wonderful dad. No relationship is perfect, and while I truly sympathise as physical affection is important to me, think what the impact on your children would be if you split up when they are so young. Just give them lots of cuddles and accept that your partner will not change after 20 years.

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