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To ask if my GP gets paid for this?

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namechanger563 · 08/07/2023 14:11

I've received a text from my GP practice asking for my up to date height and weight measurements. Just to keep my record up to date it says.

I'm sure I read a few years ago the GP's get paid for every patient they do a height/weight check with. Is this still the case?

So is this text just a money making exercise or are they actually going to help anyone?

OP posts:
Sidge · 08/07/2023 18:09

Mirabai · 08/07/2023 16:12

I had one too, it’s invasive and I ignored it.

Invasive? Bloody hell you are a muppet. This is YOUR GP surgery, that YOU chose to register with, that hold YOUR medical records and are there to provide YOUR health care.

Yet they send a simple text asking you to update your record of height and weight and that’s invasive? Jesus. It’s not like they turned up on your doorstep demanding to come in and weigh you.

Honestly the general public is getting the healthcare they deserve. You’ll miss us when we’re gone.

Sidge · 08/07/2023 18:12

millymog11 · 08/07/2023 18:05

"It's not the GP sending the texts. Bless your heart."

No but the GP gets paid money for those texts don't they? Ridiculous.

If someone has access to a computer or a device they can update the information themselves without some kind of paid-per-text reminder from someone getting money from the government for chasing up the information. Its like chasing people in further education to ask them whether they have done their homework and getting paid per chaser by the government.

No they don’t get paid money to send texts. We use text messaging software to send large scale messages to either provide or request information. Eg smoking status, height and weight, let you know you can now book a flu jab, that your prescription has been done or your asthma review is due.

It’s a cheap and simple way to contact patients. Quicker and easier than letters or a phone call. All the patient has to do is click a link to reply. Minimal effort yet people still whinge about having to do that.

Schlomp · 08/07/2023 18:14

FixTheBone · 08/07/2023 15:32

I think this needs to fundamentally change....

Weight is one of the most obvious, basic crude measures of health that literally everyone can measure and understand.

I don't know why we tolerate people ignoring their health.

Can yiu imagine if everyone filled in their tax return with 'I don't really keep a record of my income or outgoings? Why should health be any different.

This is a very ignorant viewpoint. Regular weighing is detrimental to those of us who have, or have had an eating disorder and could likely end up with us needing more medical intervention ultimately

cptartapp · 08/07/2023 18:15

millymog11 · 08/07/2023 18:05

"It's not the GP sending the texts. Bless your heart."

No but the GP gets paid money for those texts don't they? Ridiculous.

If someone has access to a computer or a device they can update the information themselves without some kind of paid-per-text reminder from someone getting money from the government for chasing up the information. Its like chasing people in further education to ask them whether they have done their homework and getting paid per chaser by the government.

The 'GP's' don't get paid for it no. It goes in the practice pot to put the lights on and pay the staff from the cleaner upwards.
Don't cooperate by all means, but then don't complain when service provision doesn't meet your needs.
In an ideal word external reporting wouldn't be first choice, but desperate times....

MumblesParty · 08/07/2023 18:30

Seeline · 08/07/2023 15:15

Mine keeps texting me, asking me to supply my blood pressure! How the heck am I supposed to know that if they don't!

Well they may have a machine in the waiting room, or you could go to a chemist. Or you could just not bother. It’s your life. The GP won’t lose any sleep if you’re walking around with high blood pressure.

MumblesParty · 08/07/2023 18:33

LakeTiticaca · 08/07/2023 16:03

Pretty sure it will be included in the large salary they receive for not seeing patients 😉

Vile uneducated post

LadyWithLapdog · 08/07/2023 18:33

Remember Covid and how people suddenly were able to find £20 to buy a pulse ocymetre for home use? We’re all getting older. Buy a BP machine; you’ll need it.

LadyWithLapdog · 08/07/2023 18:36

MumblesParty · 08/07/2023 18:30

Well they may have a machine in the waiting room, or you could go to a chemist. Or you could just not bother. It’s your life. The GP won’t lose any sleep if you’re walking around with high blood pressure.

Exactly. Cut your nose to spite your face. That’ll teach those GPs.

MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 08/07/2023 18:39

Schlomp · 08/07/2023 18:14

This is a very ignorant viewpoint. Regular weighing is detrimental to those of us who have, or have had an eating disorder and could likely end up with us needing more medical intervention ultimately

Deregister from your surgery, then.

Endofroadinhs · 08/07/2023 18:39

@namechanger563 And this attitude is exactly why the NHS is struggling, people literally cannot be arsed and don’t think its their responsibility to provide very basic information which 95% have easy access to, and which will allow them to identify people who actually need to be seen. For god’s sakes try to work WITH your healthcare provider not find reasons to pick holes in them.

MumblesParty · 08/07/2023 18:41

GP surgeries are required to collect data and offer health and chronic disease checks, and this attracts some NHS funding. These checks are usually coordinated by nurses and/or health care assistants. It may surprise people to learn that these people are PAID. Yes, believe it or not, staff working in GP surgeries get a wage. These wages are paid out of the money that GP surgeries get, and health checks are a part of this money. It does not, I repeat, does NOT go into the GP’s pocket. It baffles me that people think it does.

Schlomp · 08/07/2023 18:42

MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 08/07/2023 18:39

Deregister from your surgery, then.

I dont need to, thanks. I have a decent gp who has a very good understanding of all the complexities of EDs

EmeraldFox · 08/07/2023 18:47

MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 08/07/2023 18:39

Deregister from your surgery, then.

Why should a person do this? I know when my weight is a concern, even without knowing the numbers (thing called a mirror) so I could book an appointment if I wanted help. If I needed to know my exact weight rather than a ballpark figure for a medication then I would find a scale, it's about balancing the risks!

FarmGirl78 · 08/07/2023 18:49

They don't get paid as such, and it's definitely not that the GP gets an extra chunk in his wage packet. At the very most it'll be that the surgery gets extra funding (for health promotion, extra staff etc) if they have more patients on their books who are obese, health risk, heart disease etc.

There are also many drugs which are weight or formula based, and calculated using height/weight etc so it's always very useful to have that up to date in your records. Very useful. I work in the community (not a surgery though) and we often have to check a surgeries records for an to date to calculate new prescriptions. If we don't have a weight its delays things until we can get the Patient in for a face to face appt.

EmeraldFox · 08/07/2023 18:54

@FarmGirl78
Why a f2f appointment? Why can't the patient let you know a weight over the phone when it's needed? How recent a weight do you need? Some people's weight could change in only a few months so it may need updating regardless.

FarmGirl78 · 08/07/2023 19:00

EmeraldFox · 08/07/2023 18:54

@FarmGirl78
Why a f2f appointment? Why can't the patient let you know a weight over the phone when it's needed? How recent a weight do you need? Some people's weight could change in only a few months so it may need updating regardless.

Because not all patients have their own scales. A lot lose weight if they're ill and have no idea how much they now weight.

It depends what exactly we need the weight for, but if the Patient says they haven't noticably changed weight recently then we'll usually accept a weight less than 3 months ago. Depending on the weight we might accept a few months longer (because a ballpark figure is enough if a Patient is nowhere near borderline weight). Some Patients don't have ANY weight recorded.

Sidge · 08/07/2023 19:20

Oh and now our local hospital won’t accept any referrals without a BMI. For ANY department. So be prepared for a height and weight check if you need a secondary care referral in some areas.

FadeAwayAndRadiate · 08/07/2023 19:35

FarmGirl78 · 08/07/2023 19:00

Because not all patients have their own scales. A lot lose weight if they're ill and have no idea how much they now weight.

It depends what exactly we need the weight for, but if the Patient says they haven't noticably changed weight recently then we'll usually accept a weight less than 3 months ago. Depending on the weight we might accept a few months longer (because a ballpark figure is enough if a Patient is nowhere near borderline weight). Some Patients don't have ANY weight recorded.

Who doesn't have their own scales FFS? You can get a set for less than a tenner.

What a lame excuse to not weigh yourself.

@namechanger563 So what if the GP is requesting your weight? Confused I give them mine every few months, and blood pressure readings from the blood pressure monitor I got from Boots for £20.

EmeraldFox · 08/07/2023 19:38

FadeAwayAndRadiate · 08/07/2023 19:35

Who doesn't have their own scales FFS? You can get a set for less than a tenner.

What a lame excuse to not weigh yourself.

@namechanger563 So what if the GP is requesting your weight? Confused I give them mine every few months, and blood pressure readings from the blood pressure monitor I got from Boots for £20.

I purposely do not own any due to a history of AN.

LadyWithLapdog · 08/07/2023 19:55

I suspect people dutifully give their weight and height to a private insurance company and don’t see the irony in that.

namechanger563 · 08/07/2023 20:03

I'm not happy about the surgery getting an extra payment per patient whose record they update with height/weight info. It's an automated link. No one is going to review this info and it will play no part in improving healthcare or outcomes for patients. Meanwhile, my DH has been unable to get a f2f since Covid. He has a recurring condition that they have neglected to treat, wasted weeks between raising requests online before email consultations that have been completely infective. He now faces surgery to remove necrotic tissue and infected bone that will leave him with hearing loss and significant facial scaring because of their lazy online diagnosis.

They get paid per patient and that should include keeping key data up to date. This shouldn't be an incentivised 'extra' piece of work they (the practice/group) get paid for.

OP posts:
millymog11 · 08/07/2023 20:05

"NHS England is responsible for paying GP Practices for their services. GP practices are paid on the basis of the number of patients on their list. This is obtained from the registered patient list held by NHS Digital on behalf of NHS England."
(taken from NHS England).

cptartapp · Today 18:15
"The 'GP's' don't get paid for it no. It goes in the practice pot to put the lights on and pay the staff from the cleaner upwards.
Don't cooperate by all means, but then don't complain when service provision doesn't meet your needs.
In an ideal word external reporting wouldn't be first choice, but desperate times...."

So, as GP practices are partnerships and not part of the NHS in the same way that hospitals are, they have autonomy on multiple key decisions which affect patients (eg where there surgeries are, how quickly you get an appointment if at all, the general availability of qualified doctors and the ease with which to be referred to a consultant eg for cancer (is the most recent example I have seen, and whether this money goes to keeping the lights on or whether it goes to the GP's salary.

Its very obvious that the qualification for someone being "practices are paid on the basis of the number of patients on their list" could literally be increased by the number of people who have been automated contacted by what Sidge · Today 18:12 describes namely
" large scale messages to either provide or request information. Eg smoking status, height and weight, let you know you can now book a flu jab, that your prescription has been done or your asthma review is due."

You have received a text via the above you are a patient on their books the funding flows through from the government. Its very slick. The fact that you might actually have a life limiting condition/disease/illness and actually need to see someone in person does not matter, you are on their books so that is enough.
This is why a recent example I came across happened. An elderly person I know who really really needed to see a GP as you describe could not get an appointment. They left it and left it because to get an in person appointment would have required the kind of tenacity I would expect to see from someone far younger. Eventually one of their younger relatives who had also tried to get them an in person appointment lost their rag and filled out forms to move this elderly patient to another surgery which happened to be over the border of the NHS trust boundary so the new GP surgery came under a different NHS trust and therefore different funding.
Only then was there any kind of notice taken, the original GP surgery got very shirtly and angry with the elderly patient for actually trying to do this because (i) I imagine it flagged up their statistics somewhere and, more importantly (ii) losing patients to another surgery hit their bottom line and they did not want to lose the money.
The man died shortly after of advanced cancer which might have been caught had he actually got an in person appointment when he first started complaining of symptoms.

And no this was not a social worker/care in the community case, he had relatives and neighbours who all tried to get in person appointments for him.

Its about the money and the money is assured if you are "on the books" i.e. you have received a text from the GP surgery.

By the way, on a personal level incase there is any doubt, of course I update all of my own information via patient access (there are other similar platforms used by various GP partnerships I understand, another decision they make on a practice by practice basis) and I always have done, healthcare and in particular GP surgeries are like high street banks in 2023, they are all shut and unless you are prepared to and able to run your life via a computer screen including anything to do with your physical body, then tough.

FadeAwayAndRadiate · 08/07/2023 20:11

@namechanger563 Why do you think the GPs get paid for asking for your weight? First I have heard of this! Confused

Sidge · 08/07/2023 20:14

Its very obvious that the qualification for someone being "practices are paid on the basis of the number of patients on their list" could literally be increased by the number of people who have been automated contacted by what Sidge · Today 18:12 describes namely

umm no. They are paid an amount per person registered with them, whether we see them, or contact them or otherwise. We don’t get paid more for sending them messages. We do get paid more for providing services above and beyond the basic contract.

@millymog11 a practice gets paid something like £120 per annum for providing all care to a patient regardless of the amount of care they receive. They’re not going to be personally interested in losing an elderly (I.e. expensive in terms of care provided) patient to another surgery. (But of course that surgery sounds crap and should have seen that person).

Samaritans999 · 08/07/2023 20:18

namechanger563 · 08/07/2023 20:03

I'm not happy about the surgery getting an extra payment per patient whose record they update with height/weight info. It's an automated link. No one is going to review this info and it will play no part in improving healthcare or outcomes for patients. Meanwhile, my DH has been unable to get a f2f since Covid. He has a recurring condition that they have neglected to treat, wasted weeks between raising requests online before email consultations that have been completely infective. He now faces surgery to remove necrotic tissue and infected bone that will leave him with hearing loss and significant facial scaring because of their lazy online diagnosis.

They get paid per patient and that should include keeping key data up to date. This shouldn't be an incentivised 'extra' piece of work they (the practice/group) get paid for.

GP surgeries are private enterprises, they can charge what they like for their services.

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