To think the law needs to change on 4x4s and Supersized SUVs in Cities.

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Unsure how, but today's news is just horrifying, these vehicles really need to be reduced in numbers in residential areas in my opinion. They are significantly heavier than smaller cars (I know that's stating the obvious) but who really needs a 4X4 in a city?

And @Curiouscarla you have obviously reported my comment because you didn't understand it. If everyone paid attention and looked where they were going SUVs would be perfectly safe in cities. That's drivers and pedestrians and not relevant to the accident that happened today which was not mentioned in the OP.

Helpful.

Multiple stats shared in the thread about how higher heavier cars cause worse injuries, point is not about this one accident but about propensity of large cars in cities.

For all the people going on about not a city, we’re talking about LARGE CARS IN CITIES.

Some people have too much time on their hands. Anything happens, anything at all and they become expert legislators asking for change in the law. A law they probably don’t understand at all in the first place.

And true.

Some people, are living worn and affected by this issue daily as they try to travel around where they live and work?

Some people, are affected by this issue daily as they try to travel around where they live and work?

Quit while you’re ahead. This is getting silly now.

Why do people NEED such big vehicles? How did people with families cope in the past when cars were much smaller?

Well indeed. Plus in many city streets it is possible for two normal cars to pass, but not two SUVs or not if there are SUVs parked on either side.

They take up more road space and jam the roads. And IME their drivers hardly ever pull in!

I agree with you, OP. Those big SUVs have blind spots the size of a tennis court apart from anyone else. To everyone saying that they use their discovery etc for their rural lifestyle, towing trailers etc-I'm sure no one has a problem with that, you are using them as intended! But I bet you aren't driving Porsche cayennes or a Q8 and those are what I have a problem with. They take up so
much space in a car park space that it's a nightmare to find a place where you can park and actually open your door. They are so heavy that they are actually damaging the road surface, especially the electric ones. And I am noticing more and more that they seem to encourage people to drive aggressively ie cutting into traffic, jumping roundabouts because they have such a bigger road presence. If only Sadiq Khan had the wit to take into account vehicle width/height instead of emissions only.

@TakeMyStrongHand i haven't reported didly squat. But for a thread which centers around the tragic death of a child you are coming across as not only insensitive but aggressive as well.

Yes what a niche group of people it is too. Those that work, and travel, and wait for it….encounter cars on the road.

Well I don't drive an SUV so I can't be all bad.

Why som people NEED anything? Other than food, water and shelter.

Yeah... this thread isn't really about you is it though !

You going to regulate against electric cars aswell

Tesla model 3 - 1844kg
Land Rover defender ( are involved) - 2149kg
Land Rover evoque- 1786kg (the most common Chelsea tractor)
BMW x5 2135kg

However it looks deliberate so are you also going to ban vans etc

DH is 6’4 and, although we have an SUV for my mobility scooter, his car that he uses on a daily basis is a VW Polo. He used to drive 3 other blokes to work in it, too before we moved.

DS2 is 6’5 and, also, has a VW Polo and drives DDILs Audi A1 quite comfortably too.

Very, very few cars have pedestrian airbags and active safety features like AEB are not exclusive to SUVs.

The key bit in your post is ‘weighs as little as possible’ - that’s never the case for an SUV. The car that weighs as little as possible is the smallest car necessary.

I agree re EVs and it is also a big headache for the car safety industry. But it’s disingenuous to suggest it’s ok to have an SUV v a low slung EV - it’s not a choice between only those 2. There are plenty of car shapes that are safer than SUVs, and don’t forget, the larger the car, the bigger and heavier the battery it needs - so electric SUVs are the worst of the lot. Look at the ridiculous electric hummer - it’s something like 5 tons, a ton of which is battery.

Doubtless the numerous 4x4s parked on my road right now belong to people who have driven in from rural Scotland, nothing to be done.

We have a Land Rover with 7 seats to fit all of us. We take it around Europe, use it for work, and we live in an extremely hilly rural area without a proper road to our property . We also use it to tow.
we didn’t get it for fun we got it because we needed a proper vehicle not just a little city hopper for single vegans who cycle to work.

You are missing an important point. Without wanting to speculate without knowing what happened, it is highly likely a car like a Fiat 500 would have reached the impact point as it would have been slowed massively by the fence, grass etc. A smaller car going at 20mph has less energy than a larger car at 20mph, so it takes less energy to stop it. Even if it did reach the impact point, the overall crash would have less energy - and so less energy absorbed by the people that were hit. Less energy = less injury.

It’s not quite as simple as that in reality, but it’s a good approximation.

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Are these fatal crashes for occupants or other road users? Because that makes a huge difference.

@Bingbangbongbash you're right. That is a very fair point. I'm assuming the accelerator was pressed the full time as it appears to have gone on quite the trajectory.

I heard the conference on LBC today and the police ladies voice breaking as she told of the poor girl. Broke my heart and I just burst into tears thinking of the community.