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Did the captain Tom foundation charity really use the money to build their own spa pool??

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Terryer · 05/07/2023 07:25

Just reading the paper this morning and see the family of Captain Tom have been ordered to pull down a building in their garden with a spa pool. I think it's a planning issue but the inference is that they used the money raised to build it. Did they really?

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tokonami · 05/07/2023 10:35

MortgageConundrum · 05/07/2023 08:28

I didn’t donate when he was doing his walls. I nearly did, then I remembered I’d read previously that you can’t give money to the NHS itself to pay for more doctors & nurses, but you can donate to “friends of X Hospital” style charities.

That money can be used for new furniture in waiting rooms etc, which does benefit staff and patients, but £30 million is a lot of new chairs.

I think the public donated thinking the money would either benefit existing medical staff or pay for more medical staff. It’s a shame that legally that money couldn’t go to where the people donating thought it was going to.

Fascinating, my DH said the same thing when I wanted to donate and stopped myself after he said what you've said here. It's mad. I believe his intentions were good but it's so easy to be corrupt with such a tempting amount of money.

Bluebells1970 · 05/07/2023 10:35

I feel very sad that his name is being dragged through the mud - and by the actions of his own daughter. I am very glad that the CC is now involved.

On a side note, my cousin works for a locally started charity that is now very nationally well known. I'm absolutely horrified at the perks that the office staff get behind closed doors... and would never donate to the never ending fundraisers she shares on SM. Most of the time it appears to be raising money for teambuilding jollies for the staff in 5* hotels ..... I hope that one day, someday blows a very loud whistle at this charity.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 05/07/2023 10:37

CathyorClaire · 05/07/2023 10:08

It was a nice story to run with at the time. Especially with all the other relentless shit.

It became just as relentless.

I do agree. Especially given lots of people were doing nice things at that time

Butchyrestingface · 05/07/2023 10:38

All the press reports I've seen so far are implying serious misconduct by the daughter. Terrible if true. The old boy doesn't deserve to have his memory besmirched in this way by a (allegedly) grifty, grabby offspring.

wutheringkites · 05/07/2023 10:41

user1492757084 · 05/07/2023 09:49

It sounds legit! Old people need spas and water exercise venues. Captain Tom was a hero and a doer. He offered hope to the locked up. If a spa building is built on his walking track all the better for his elderly friends, family and neighbours.

I often wonder how people fall for obvious scams and then I read posts like this.

Tidsleytiddy · 05/07/2023 10:41

Mmm as if

Lastusernamecantthinkofanotherone · 05/07/2023 10:41

wutheringkites · 05/07/2023 10:41

I often wonder how people fall for obvious scams and then I read posts like this.

Surely it’s sarcasm?

Tidsleytiddy · 05/07/2023 10:42

You’d hope so but I doubt it

wutheringkites · 05/07/2023 10:43

@Lastusernamecantthinkofanotherone

I don't think it is but only @user1492757084 can answer that.

Eastie77Returns · 05/07/2023 10:45

Joystir59 · 05/07/2023 07:51

The fact that so many people bought into the mad idea that any part of the NHS relied on an old man raising funds by walking a trolley around his garden is a sad indictment of the state of the national psyche

100% agree. The ease with which the general public buys into so many nonsensical but popular causes that ‘capture the mood of the nation’ is actually frightening. There’s a very weird Orwellian / group think vibe in this country.

nancy2022 · 05/07/2023 10:50

Sorry for sounding thick but why can't the NHS receive charity money for equipment etc?

From this thread I see it can only be used for non medical items such as waiting rooms and staff rooms?

Tidsleytiddy · 05/07/2023 10:55

I’m assuming because that would then absolve the government of funding it (which it should be)

CosmosQueen · 05/07/2023 10:56

Roussette · 05/07/2023 08:09

^^ This.

My adult DCs and me were very sceptical. The daughter was so full on in her money making efforts and we have followed what has gone on since. Then they take him over to Barbados for cricket (not legal at the time I believe) where he catches covid and dies. (Not accusing them of doing this deliberately but it was a bonkers decision by the family)

Then come the T shirts, Gin, baseball caps and it all starts looking very very murky.

I do criticise the BBC because they were relentless in their coverage on Breakfast News, the family, Captain Tom, and all were on every single morning. Duping us into thinking how wonderful it all was.

The other sister has distanced herself and I have a feeling there's been a family fall out.

I think the enquiry will show there has been a lot of wrongdoings. We, as a family, were dubious very early on.

i felt incredibly uncomfortable and uneasy from the start, it smacked of exploiting a vulnerable old man in poor health. The longer it went on the more sickening it became.
Apparently the trustees were unaware of this building yet the son in law is one of them I believe.
It smacks of misuse of funds and it’s been a dodgy, self-aggrandising process from the beginning.

savory · 05/07/2023 10:56

NerrSnerr · 05/07/2023 07:39

They used the foundation's name on the application and the charity weren't aware of it.

From day 1 they were clearly in it for the money and publicity and they did pretty well out of it with high wages from the charity, a special lockdown holiday to Barbados and I imagine a lot more.

After which he died of Covid - it was all part of that madness sadly.

CathyorClaire · 05/07/2023 10:56

Yes, a feelgood story on once and then maybe a fortnight later but every morning was coollective hypnotising of the nation.

Yes, exactly.

Strange times.

I do agree. Especially given lots of people were doing nice things at that time

Yes. Very few got anywhere near the coverage or follow-ups.

Unless they were Prince Andrew packing cupcakes for NHS workers in an attempt to rehab his image 🙄😡

Flippertityfeck · 05/07/2023 10:56

To be fair, on the salary issue, I know someone who set up a charity (which has become very successful at fundraising) and pays themselves over £100k to run it. As said, it’s a successful -and worthwhile- charity, but when those that set them up benefit to such an obscene level it gets a bit murky.

derxa · 05/07/2023 10:56

I donated and so did DH. Hopefully someone benefitted.

readbooksdrinktea · 05/07/2023 10:58

It's interesting how so many thought he was simply old and vulnerable. I think he was quite aware.

HeadNorth · 05/07/2023 11:05

It is like the Diana funeral. The BBC kept telling us ‘the nation’ was grieving and how upset ‘the nation’ was. I didn’t know anyone who cared beyond thinking it was shame a mother of young children died.

The BBC put out daily updates on Captain Tom because apparently he was uplifting ‘the nation’. Again, no one I knew cared.

Who is this ‘nation’ that the BBC seem to think wanted Jimmy Saville on our screens, the don’t reflect anyone I know.

The media create and manipulate these stories and it is depressing that some people seem to lap them up. So betide anyone put their head above the parapet at the height of Captain Tom hysteria. The sensible people kept their heads down and mouth shut - but there was plenty of us thinking it was overhyped hooey.

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 05/07/2023 11:05

Blackcatisabitofapsycho · 05/07/2023 09:41

Yes. Not on threads where it isn’t relevant, though. Endless whataboutery doesn’t get any of us anywhere, it just is a way of deflection.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Beaverbridge · 05/07/2023 11:07

Yeah always thought she was a wrong un. Self promoting. Looking back we were all trapped indoors watching what was fed to us, Captain Tom, banging sauce pans etc. Think we were doolally buying into it.
Friend of a friend got the furlough payment early at the start of pandemic. She put in new double glazing and went on holiday the first time we were "let out". Said she'd never been as well off.

TaxiMax · 05/07/2023 11:08

readbooksdrinktea · 05/07/2023 10:58

It's interesting how so many thought he was simply old and vulnerable. I think he was quite aware.

Same.

CosmosQueen · 05/07/2023 11:16

Swrigh1234 · 05/07/2023 10:34

These were the same pathetic idiots stood outside their front doors banging pots and pans.

Precisely.
Mass adoration/hysteria/accolades all round and god help anyone who dared say anything remotely against them.

Bewildered111 · 05/07/2023 11:18

CosmosQueen · 05/07/2023 11:16

Precisely.
Mass adoration/hysteria/accolades all round and god help anyone who dared say anything remotely against them.

Yes-mass adoration but it’s easy to bang a few pots and pans. Not so easy to fix the problems. Like I say, a local hospital is called after him which is the height of insanity. Who on earth will know what it is in 50 years? Especially as it’s called CSTM.

littleripper · 05/07/2023 11:20

I'd be very surprised if they had stolen donated cash but they will have had the right to charge all sorts of fees/commissions etc and they quickly add up. It was obvious at the time that they were ALL grifters - including Tom. He had been on Blankety Blank in his younger days and comes across as an over confident man on the make! The whole thing was absurd and made me cringe - at the time!