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Insensitive Comment?

22 replies

dunnoboutthisone · 29/06/2023 12:51

My mother died suddenly two months ago. I was recently having coffee with a friend and she asked how I was doing and I said I was struggling a bit and kept seeing or hearing things that would remind me of mum and get upset. As an example I said I’d just seen an advert for a café that I knew she’d have absolutely loved and it upset me as I wish I’d known about it and taken her there for lunch. My friend’s immediate response was “oh, maybe I’ll take my mum there” and I’m wondering if I’m being unreasonable to be a bit upset by that?

I said I’d rather she didn’t, at least right away as it would feel sort of like she was taunting me. She then informed me I was being silly and unreasonable and I couldn’t tell her where she could or couldn’t take her mother – so I agreed and said if she wanted to take her that was fine, I’d just rather she didn’t tell me as I’d find it a bit upsetting. She then laughed at me and said that I was being ridiculous and that if her mother died she would be fine with me going to places they’d liked. Just to be clear, she was not familiar with the place in question and me saying that I’d seen an advert and was sad I couldn’t take my mum was the first she’d ever heard of it. She’d not seen any pictures and didn’t know what sort of food they served, or if it was any good; literally all she knew about it was that I’d seen an advert and wished I’d taken my mum there, and it’s location which is about 25 minutes each way from her (elderly and disabled) mother and not an area they usually frequent.

I appreciate that I might be being overly sensitive and unreasonable as I’m in still in shock about my mother but it really hurt me and I keep going over the conversation, in the end I just smiled and agreed that aren’t I silly, she rolled her eyes and we changed the subject. Obviously if it was somewhere that she already knew about and was planning to go I wouldn’t dream of telling her she couldn’t, and if she’d just offered sympathy and support then brought it up in a few days’ time and said her mum would like it there I think I‘d have given the address and wished them well… I think it’s more that it was because the conversation was about how I kept seeing things that upset me and I was really just looking for a bit of a handhold that it seemed a really insensitive response. It’s also very much not the first time something like this has happened with this friend, I often seem to be apologising or acknowledging that she’s right and that I’m being silly, even when I don’t really agree. I seem to come home from seeing her feeling upset quite often and usually over little things like this, but it doesn’t happen with other friends so I don’t know if we just really don’t mesh well or if she’s a bit thoughtless? I am strongly suspected ND if that’s relevant, I do know I can react ‘oddly’ sometimes!

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CoreyTaylorsSoggyTshirt · 29/06/2023 12:56

I'm so sorry about your mum 💐

This instance seems like a combination of things, she was really insensitive to say she would take her mum there during that conversation, but you can't really ask her not to take her mum somewhere.

Ultimately though this friend doesn't make you feel good and keeps saying insensitive things, so I would just cut her out, there's no point wasting time with someone who makes you feel like shit.

morejumpingfrogs · 29/06/2023 12:56

I don't think it was you, her comments just weren't necessary, were they?

Maybe do a slow drift away from this "friend" ...

morejumpingfrogs · 29/06/2023 12:57

Oh, and I am so sorry about your Mum 💐

bellsandwhistles333 · 29/06/2023 12:57

Oh OP don't be so hard on yourself as someone that lost both parents within 8 months of each other in 2021 I totally understand the feeling of hating peoples talk about there own parents...

I am much better now but initially I hated everyone so card selling selling mothers / Father's Day cards and my friends talking about treats with their parents or specialty events even my husband with his mum at times cut deep I was just bitter and envious and that's totally ok it's a huge shock losing a parent and a big hole is left.

Slowly it does get easily and you will come to realise that of course people around you will have things with there mothers ( albeit your friend should of had a tad more tact) you'll always feel cheated but you will be more rational and start to see it for what it is

Ijustdontcare · 29/06/2023 12:58

The first comment from her was a bit insensitive, and I would have just put it down to a slip of the tongue and someone not thinking. I think you then made the situation worse by telling her she can't go there and continuing the argument.

ginslinger · 29/06/2023 13:00

I think she was insensitive and then her doubling down on it just made it worse. She should have shut up and changed the subject

Gerrataere · 29/06/2023 13:02

I’m so sorry about your mum. Do you think she’s generally an insensitive person or was it possible a massive foot in mouth moment? That your friend was scrambling at trying to think of anything to say, she heard the word ‘mum’ and ‘day out’ and it just clicked in all the wrong ways? She may well have been mortified but took your signal as just to move forward before making it worse?

I do see that you believe you’re ND, and sometimes you’re working so hard to figure out someone’s intent in the moment that you get anxious and think you’re in the wrong. Take a deep breath on this one. You’re allowed to find words hurtful even if they’re not meant to be that way. If you find the relationship with this friend too difficult then you can walk away without any guilt.

BluebellPinkBell · 29/06/2023 13:02

I think the bit I really wouldn’t have liked is when you said she laughed at you and told you that you were being ridiculous. A good friend wouldn’t do that. She should have showed more sensitivity when she realised it had upset you. It does seem unkind that she almost rubbed it in your face that she could take her mum. It would be different if you were talking about a place they already enjoyed visiting, she would have a point then. But because she hadn’t even heard of the place before, I think she was being a cow.

Aquamarine1029 · 29/06/2023 13:04

Your "friend" sounds like a real idiot.

Gerrataere · 29/06/2023 13:05

Scratch what I said…

I said I’d rather she didn’t, at least right away as it would feel sort of like she was taunting me. She then informed me I was being silly and unreasonable and I couldn’t tell her where she could or couldn’t take her mother – so I agreed and said if she wanted to take her that was fine, I’d just rather she didn’t tell me as I’d find it a bit upsetting. She then laughed at me and said that I was being ridiculous and that if her mother died she would be fine with me going to places they’d liked.

Shes a rude, insensitive person who evidently lacks understanding of social and emotional boundaries. You said it clearly to her and her response was out of line. Bin her.

GameOverBoys · 29/06/2023 13:05

She was very tactless to suggest taking her mum, in light of the conversation. You were a bit unreasonable to ask her not to go but your mum had just died so a friend would be understanding and take your wishes on board. You shouldn’t have to be apologising and minimising your feelings all the time, your comment that other friends don’t make you feel bad says everything. I think you should end this ‘friendship’.

Clymene · 29/06/2023 13:15

I'm so sorry about your mum. Your friend was very insensitive

dunnoboutthisone · 29/06/2023 13:23

Thank you everyone, this is really helpful - there have been a few instances where I've found her rude or insensitive and I wondered if it was just me as it sounds like such a silly thing to end a friendship over. I don't think she's a bad person or being deliberately mean, I think she is just a bit thoughtless and really doesn't ever want to be wrong so will dig in and make it worse... And I can be quite an oversensitive person at the best of times so I don't think we're well-suited to 'deep' friendship. I doubt I will dump her but I don't think she's someone I want to confide in or seek support from anymore, she's great company if just want to talk about shopping or holidays or something so I'll try to stick to that and just say "fine" if she asks how I'm doing!

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OlympicProcrastinator · 29/06/2023 13:26

That’s no friend. Really not a very nice person. Get rid.

PrueRamsay · 29/06/2023 13:28

I think it was insensitive for her to say she would take her mum there.

However, I don’t think it is reasonable for you to tell her where she can or cannot go based on the fact it’s somewhere you think your mum might have liked. I would find that pretty weird to be honest.

Vegetus · 29/06/2023 13:36

She spoke without engaging her brain but you also can't dictate where someone else as can or can't go and who with.

dunnoboutthisone · 29/06/2023 13:41

PrueRamsay · 29/06/2023 13:28

I think it was insensitive for her to say she would take her mum there.

However, I don’t think it is reasonable for you to tell her where she can or cannot go based on the fact it’s somewhere you think your mum might have liked. I would find that pretty weird to be honest.

But do you not think it was weird that she was suddenly determined to take her mother there when she didn't actually know anything at all about the place? Like I said, if it was somewhere she brought up as a place she was planning to go I would never have asked her not to, it's the fact that was her (only) response to me saying seeing the advert had upset me. I feel that if the roles were reversed my response would have just been to offer sympathy or to be there if she needed me - and when I said her reaction was a bit upsetting I suppose I feel that as my friend she should have been considerate of my feelings in the circumstances (even if they were unreasonable) rather than laugh at me?

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Gateappreciation · 29/06/2023 13:48

It was insensitive for her to say straight away she’ll take her mum there (foot in mouth syndrome?), but strange for you to say she d CD an’t go there.

burnoutbabe · 29/06/2023 13:52

She was very tactless and then didn't even realise or change it when you pointed it out.

I mean i probably would ignore your "don't go there" request but I'd make sure you didn't know about it.

Lillyrosemay · 29/06/2023 13:55

I think it was tactless and thoughtless but it seems to me you put the idea in her head as somewhere to take a mum,so that prompted it.

I don’t think it is ok to say you’d rather she didn’t take her mum though, but understand it was grief talking.

im sorry for your loss.

Groutyonehereagain · 29/06/2023 13:57

I’m so sorry to hear about your mum. 💐 I think many people generally, don’t know what to say when someone dies, especially those who haven’t any experience of loss.

dunnoboutthisone · 29/06/2023 14:24

I need to head out now but thank you everyone who's responded, I'm glad that it seems I'm not being totally hysterical - and also that my friend isn't really awful! I won't bother to bring it up with her, just try to stick to less sensitive topics until I'm a bit less fragile.

Just as quick aside to all of you with mums, please please don't take them for granted. Mine was home alone and her heart stopped mid-999 call. There was no indication at all there was anything wrong with her heart, she was 73. I never got to say goodbye; my last conversation with her was some random crap about trees and two days before she died I was supposed to be taking her to the ballet and dinner and I cancelled as I basically couldn't be arsed. I imagine I'll spend the rest of my life seeing adverts for places and wishing I'd taken my mum. I should have done more for her when I could and I'm going to always regret that. That's maybe why it upset me so much and felt like taunting, that she wanted to flaunt that she can do those things for her mum that I can't for mine - even though I know that's ridiculous! And I think the hardest part is that this is my mum's absolute dream cafe, it really couldn't be more perfect for her. And it's been there for years I never even bloody knew it. That really hurts.

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