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Is it too much to expect charities to stick to the day job?

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Summer2023hasarrived · 28/06/2023 17:08

OXFAM 1942 for famine relief. Fast forward to Oxfam today who have sent me an email saying they are campainging for injustice to LGBTQ?+ABCDEFG

  • being " other sexual identities such as two-spirit, pansexual, gender fluid, and more" who apparently are more at risk of poverty, unemployment, homelessness, sexual assault and violence.....

I mean seriously. After the Oxfam campaign which basically smeared J K Rowling and other women and also contained racist caricatures on it's video it really needs to just stick to the day job and raise money for say famine? I mean there are enough starving people in the world without raising money for the Them/they/ as well. Is every charity/workforce/business jumping on the gender bandwagon nowadays?

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Catsmere · 29/06/2023 00:58

senua · 28/06/2023 17:19

"keeping women's rights at the heart of everything we do."
Hmm, I wonder what their definition of 'woman' is.

Their male workers seem to know what women are when preying on women and girls. Funny that.

CrumpetsBeotch · 29/06/2023 01:05

Why women's rights and no longer human rights?

youcandanceifyouwanna · 29/06/2023 09:17

I work for a charity (not oxfam) that is obsessed with lgbtq+ issues, even though it has f all to do with the aims of the organisation. It's tedious and frustrating to have endless meetings and repetitive training sessions that take us away from the work we were set up to do. I'm looking for other work but suspect the whole sector is the same.

Summer2023hasarrived · 29/06/2023 09:41

youcandanceifyouwanna · 29/06/2023 09:17

I work for a charity (not oxfam) that is obsessed with lgbtq+ issues, even though it has f all to do with the aims of the organisation. It's tedious and frustrating to have endless meetings and repetitive training sessions that take us away from the work we were set up to do. I'm looking for other work but suspect the whole sector is the same.

That's really sad. There does seem to be a massive push to ensure lgbtq?+ are given lots of airtime/support/coverage and it appears to be at the expense of lots of others things/groups/activities etc.

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Summer2023hasarrived · 29/06/2023 09:44

Wigglewigglewitch · 28/06/2023 23:55

In fact they’ve gone one better

Thanks. The salaries aren't as huge as led to believe.

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Summer2023hasarrived · 29/06/2023 09:48

Well it's a personal choice and I'm going to stick to supporting charities that concentrate on what I think are important issues rather than a blind following of the narratives that a very small minority of people have all the problems/abuse/poverty/disadvantage. I find this blind support of a growing range of ideological beliefs not helpful.

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manontroppo · 29/06/2023 09:59

I also find it extremely colonialist to push an equalities/LGBTQIA+ agenda to many countries where religious and cultural beliefs* aren't accepting of women's or gay rights. Are they supporting famine relief, or only supporting famine relief if you agree with Oxfam's political and western views?

*not saying I agree with religious and cultural discrimination against women or gay people at all, but it's a Western narrative that they are pushing. I'm not saying it doesn't need pushing either, but it's extremely complicated when there are financial strings attached.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/06/2023 10:03

I do think that " The charity sector executives" are an issue though. They aren't good enough to survive the private sector

Yes, and this is why they insist that much higher salaries are needed to "attract the best" - except that the best, aware of the way too many are going, won't get involved no matter what the salary

Sadly, too many charities have become an industry which perpetuates itself by co-opting fashionable causes to stay "relevant", and naturally some of the more unwelcome influences make the most of this under cover of inclusivity, knowing very well that major charities have to tick the buzzphrase boxes if they wish to get anywhere near central funding

Precipice · 29/06/2023 10:13

Abhannmor · 28/06/2023 18:53

Joan of Arc was hanged as a witch. Oxfam was set up to fight food poverty , Famine , hence the name. I doubt gay or trans people suffer malnutrition at a higher rate than heterosexuals.

Whether people should be able to Self ID into another sex is hardly the area charities like Oxfam or Action Aid should be spending time , effort and money on.

??? Joan of Arc was burned at the stake on the charge of heresy. No witches and no hanging.

tourdefrance · 29/06/2023 10:39

@Summer2023hasarrived

‘Doing Good Better’ is an interesting book on effective altruism. Worth a read.

Valeriekat · 29/06/2023 18:21

Olderandolder · 28/06/2023 18:31

Well Joan of Arc was burned at the stake for wearing men’s clothes.

Seriously, there is a problem in Africa with both women’s rights and trans rights. There is a problem in the UK with threatened reversal of trans legally being treated as new sex, with new birth certificates potentially being reversed.

Separately, Charities are lobby groups for increased Govt and should not have tax relief.

No, she was burned at the stake for being a witch! Oh and for being on the losing side in a war.

Whyishewearingasombero · 30/06/2023 03:15

lakesummer · 29/06/2023 00:55

No and I'm not against people who work for charities being paid a decent wage ( unsurprisingly having worked for one)

I do think that " The charity sector executives" are an issue though. They aren't good enough to survive the private sector and they don't understand the importance of the individual charity that they are working for in any given year.
When they are allowed to run charities unchecked the expertise in that charity seems to be devalued.

Hopefully cancer focused charities remain focused on their key issues, the child protection charity I worked for certainly didn't.

I work for a medium sized charity with supports a single issue cause and I absolutely do not recognise your description of our executive team. They are highly focused and highly motivated people.

Whyishewearingasombero · 30/06/2023 03:15

It's not a cancer charity!

MargotBamborough · 30/06/2023 03:20

Olderandolder · 28/06/2023 18:31

Well Joan of Arc was burned at the stake for wearing men’s clothes.

Seriously, there is a problem in Africa with both women’s rights and trans rights. There is a problem in the UK with threatened reversal of trans legally being treated as new sex, with new birth certificates potentially being reversed.

Separately, Charities are lobby groups for increased Govt and should not have tax relief.

Joan Arc wasn't a non binary person, she was a woman.

Non binary is a concept that was invented about five minutes ago and nobody can actually explain what it is or how it is in any way different to being, well, like the rest of us.

Catlover77 · 30/06/2023 07:55

I agree OP, and I no longer support oxfam since they have shown themselves to be women haters

wavingtreetops · 30/06/2023 08:01

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 28/06/2023 18:22

@Flickersy that's in the US. The UK government have commissioned a study which concluded:

"The review finds the evidence base for an effective assessment of inequality and relative disadvantage by sexual orientation and gender identity is deficient and has major gaps. To a large extent this stems from a shortage of robust, representative data, as well as a failure of research to disaggregate disadvantage into single LGB&T groups. In particular, the report identifies a dearth of evidence on inequality by gender identity, and finds evidence on inequality between LGB&T groups to be lacking."

Source: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/539682/160719_REPORT_LGBT_evidence_review_NIESR_FINALPDF.pdf"

So no, in the UK, charities should be focusing on groups who are shown to actually be experiencing poverty not people who might by way of the logical fallacy of false syllogism.

This. I’ve done research in this area and it’s completely hampered by researchers lumping distinct and different groups together rather than disaggregating into meaningful separate social categories. It’s basically research being led by the politics of the researcher rather than led by the social phenomena/ group under study.

wavingtreetops · 30/06/2023 08:06

I suspect that what has happened at Oxfam, is that it is now being led by the political beliefs of its HQ staff, drawn from a narrow and elitist demographic, rather than being led by its actual organizational mission statement and vision.

Mischance · 30/06/2023 08:16

I absolutely endorse the OP. Charities should stick to their job and maintain their focus. I am so exasperated by so many charities and companies jumping on the bandwagon of "tolerance" which should go without saying.

Summer2023hasarrived · 30/06/2023 08:25

Catlover77 · 30/06/2023 07:55

I agree OP, and I no longer support oxfam since they have shown themselves to be women haters

Oxfam have really lost their way IMO recently. There are so many other charities now so easy to pick other ones.

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 30/06/2023 08:32

Abhannmor · 28/06/2023 18:53

Joan of Arc was hanged as a witch. Oxfam was set up to fight food poverty , Famine , hence the name. I doubt gay or trans people suffer malnutrition at a higher rate than heterosexuals.

Whether people should be able to Self ID into another sex is hardly the area charities like Oxfam or Action Aid should be spending time , effort and money on.

Joan of Arc was burned at the stake. You can see the place, marked with a memorial, in the Old Market at Rouen.

The underlying reason, though, was her success in defeating the English and the Burgundians during that phase of the Hundred Years War.

She was NOT non binary , or trans,,or any other such modern construct. She identified herself as La Pucelle : a young unmarried woman. I do wish that people would stop using this Saint as a stalking horse.

DismantledKing · 30/06/2023 08:33

Oxfam can fuck right off

Summer2023hasarrived · 03/07/2023 20:05

I (along with many others) sent an email to Oxfam to complain about how they refer to women (TERF's etc).

The standard reply sent to all is:

"Regarding the video that Oxfam International posted recently, and the scene which included the term TERF, I hope you might find the below information helpful" ....

As part of Pride month, we are seeking to defend, protect and create more safety for LGBTQIA+ people across the world. The video shared was intended to highlight the discrimination that the LGBTQIA+ community face both online and in person. ....

"We believe LGBTQIA+ rights are human rights and that it is only when we respect and uphold all human rights that we can overcome poverty."....

"Our work with women and girls and our work to tackle discrimination against LGBTQIA+ people are both vital to give everyone an equal chance to thrive. Both are central to our core value of inclusivity and commitment to leaving no-one behind in the fight against poverty and inequality."....

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slashlover · 03/07/2023 20:54

It's always lovely to have your sexuality reduced to LGBTQ?+ABCDEFG and "alphabet soup".

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