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To think peoples lives are crap enough without needing the government to interfere with Meal Deals

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Jeansmeansheinz · 27/06/2023 20:32

FFS just let people have the pleasure of a Meal Deal. I really don't need the Government telling me what I can and can't eat.

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Emotionalsupportviper · 28/06/2023 13:52

DrSbaitso · 28/06/2023 13:51

Yep.

Besides, obesity has long been linked with poverty. We all know it's cheaper to cook from scratch using fresh ingredients, but that takes time, energy and skill, which you're not so likely to have if you're on the breadline. If your life is miserable and you are impoverished, you're going to look for small pleasures and the idea that you could buy a mansion if you saved the money from sweeties is not really going to resonate with you. I'm sure someone must have given that Orwell quote by now but in case not, here it is.

Thank you - I was thinking of that quote earlier when I said that people are entitled to a treat now and then.

AllOfThemWitches · 28/06/2023 14:01

600 calories is actually quite a lot for lunch!

Is it bollocks 🤣

kelsaycobbles · 28/06/2023 14:13

Average female needs 1800 calories

So 600 is a third

So it could be fine 400 for breakfast 600 lunch 800 dinner works for many people
( no snacks or booze or supper )

Trees6 · 28/06/2023 14:20

Twiglets1 · 28/06/2023 09:45

Oh true! I was thinking more in terms of when Labout win the next GE they could do more to make paid exercise accessible to everyone in the UK.

Fingers crossed for that 🤞

IcedPurple · 28/06/2023 14:25

Have interventions like this ever achieved their aims, anywhere in the world?

kelsaycobbles · 28/06/2023 14:33

The alcohol pricing on Scotland didnt reduce the consumption of the extreme drinkers ( which is where the nanny state press focussed )

but did cut overall consumption so overall benefit

So yes these things can help

Twiglets1 · 28/06/2023 14:33

IcedPurple · 28/06/2023 14:25

Have interventions like this ever achieved their aims, anywhere in the world?

It’s a hard thing to measure but being cynical I would say they probably wouldn’t have much impact as people would just buy unhealthy lunches elsewhere if that’s what they wanted to eat. And governments know that so it’s all a bit pointless. How to look like as a government you care when you actually don’t.

IcedPurple · 28/06/2023 14:37

kelsaycobbles · 28/06/2023 14:33

The alcohol pricing on Scotland didnt reduce the consumption of the extreme drinkers ( which is where the nanny state press focussed )

but did cut overall consumption so overall benefit

So yes these things can help

But if it just means that someone might not buy a bottle of wine with their Wednesday dinner, while the heavy drinkers won't change their habits, is that a real benefit?

kelsaycobbles · 28/06/2023 14:39

The heaviest drinkers are not the only problem drinkers

Many people drink way more than is good for you

A bottle of wine a night is much less than a bottle of gin - both are harmful
Just because the gin guzzlers didn't reduce doesn't mean that there was no benefit

DrSbaitso · 28/06/2023 14:46

Well I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating (ha ha). Was there a decline in alcohol-related health issues?

Badbadbunny · 28/06/2023 14:48

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/06/2023 13:51

diet coke cans are exactly the same price as the full sugar ones

Diet coke tastes like muck. And artificial sweeteners are no better for you than sugar.

We consume about 4 cans a month amog the three of us - we want the stuff that tastes nice!

The point was that the sugar tax seems to have been forgotten by some Supermarkets already, so basically just an excuse for profiteering as the whole point of it was that sugar free drinks should be cheaper.

The taste etc is irrelevant and off topic.

Badbadbunny · 28/06/2023 14:49

DrSbaitso · 28/06/2023 14:46

Well I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating (ha ha). Was there a decline in alcohol-related health issues?

More to the point, do the statistics show a significant reduction in sales of "naughty" items that have suffered higher taxes? I suspect not.

Q2C4 · 28/06/2023 15:20

peachypudding · 27/06/2023 23:13

All this 'I'm so tired I have no time to cook healthy meals'. We hear it all the time on here.

Maybe it's the other way round: people are tired BECAUSE they eat crap food. If you eat proper (non UPF) food, you have way more energy.

Some people literally have zero time to cook. I work full time and I have a commute, plus I have 2 preschool DC who don't sleep til gone 10pm and are often up in the night.

Making me cook from scratch would quickly lead to starvation!
It's not just the cooking & prep time either - it's the washing up afterwards which takes time.

Wonderfulstuff · 28/06/2023 15:26

Sigh - another way to tax those who have the least rather than those who have the most.

I wish we had government who busied themselves around the fact that there are people who can't afford to run a fridge to store fresh food and people who can't afford a hob/oven to cook from scratch.

I also wish that the government hadn't closed down the children and family centres who used to run cookery and nutrition classes to help educate people who didn't know how to prepare a nutritious meal.

The people o this friend clapping their hands with delight that the fatty povvos are getting another well deserved kicking for the own good need to f* off.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/06/2023 15:55

peachypudding · 27/06/2023 23:13

All this 'I'm so tired I have no time to cook healthy meals'. We hear it all the time on here.

Maybe it's the other way round: people are tired BECAUSE they eat crap food. If you eat proper (non UPF) food, you have way more energy.

I'm exhausted from spending all day doing autistic masking whilst suffering from sensory overload. Then you want me to go into a brightly-lit, noisy, piped-music-ridden supermarket and buy a big list of ingredients, many of which taste like Stop and Grow nail varnish, then go home and try to cook?

Not happening. I'll stick with my Huel and meal deals and cheesy chips.

I've had a meltdown in a supermarket in the last six weeks. They are not environments I can be in.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/06/2023 15:57

The people o this friend clapping their hands with delight that the fatty povvos are getting another well deserved kicking for the own good need to f* off.

And fatty disabled.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/06/2023 16:06

I hate cooking. More than anything else l think? Chopping, stirring, thinking, l just loathe it all. I’m 59 and akways have done.

Ive eaten plenty of ready meals. I have nothing wrong with me.

DrSbaitso · 28/06/2023 16:17

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/06/2023 15:55

I'm exhausted from spending all day doing autistic masking whilst suffering from sensory overload. Then you want me to go into a brightly-lit, noisy, piped-music-ridden supermarket and buy a big list of ingredients, many of which taste like Stop and Grow nail varnish, then go home and try to cook?

Not happening. I'll stick with my Huel and meal deals and cheesy chips.

I've had a meltdown in a supermarket in the last six weeks. They are not environments I can be in.

I know it's only a small part of the issue, but home delivery?

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/06/2023 16:31

DrSbaitso · 28/06/2023 16:17

I know it's only a small part of the issue, but home delivery?

I need gluten-free, so I have to read ingredients. Which is another aspect of the whole "argh, too much" sensory overload panic attack problems.

kelsaycobbles · 28/06/2023 16:54

Certainly on the Sainsbury's site you can get the full ingredients list of any product just that same as in the shop ?

JanesBlond · 28/06/2023 17:18

I’m pretty sure labelling laws mean all supermarkets have to list the ingredients on the website when selling online. I actually prefer online shopping from a label-reading perspective as it means I can spend time reading/comparing products and not worrying about blocking the shelf for someone else, and they also have the ingredients for bakery items on the website which they don’t always instore (appreciate these are all out of the question for coeliacs though!)

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 28/06/2023 17:19

A prawn salad and some apples and grapes and a Diet Coke isn’t going to make a person obese.

flurbubbly · 28/06/2023 17:29

The people o this friend clapping their hands with delight that the fatty povvos are getting another well deserved kicking for the own good need to f off.*

Exactly. They're going to keep scarfing down their naice £4 Gail's chocolate and almond croissants and milky lattes, slamming their Charlie Bigham fish pies into the oven, and eating out at fancy restaurants, safe in the knowledge that high fat, high sugar, high calorie processed food suddenly magically becomes socially and politically acceptable if it happens to be posh and expensive.

Because middle class affluent people are trusted to make their own eating decisions, not like those nasty stupid poors. tinkly laugh

off · 28/06/2023 17:37

JanesBlond · 28/06/2023 17:18

I’m pretty sure labelling laws mean all supermarkets have to list the ingredients on the website when selling online. I actually prefer online shopping from a label-reading perspective as it means I can spend time reading/comparing products and not worrying about blocking the shelf for someone else, and they also have the ingredients for bakery items on the website which they don’t always instore (appreciate these are all out of the question for coeliacs though!)

They're not always accurate (I've had things turn up with different ingredient lists and "may contain" warnings on the packet than it had on the site), and the website has a disclaimer saying that it's just for your info, you should always check labels too, etc.

I do do online shopping sometimes (coeliac), but only because I have a human dustbin partner I can pawn off the poisonous stuff to.

Twillow · 28/06/2023 17:44

Obesity is becoming endemic in the UK. While people shouldn't be fat-shamed, there is a huge difference between that and accepting obesity as a lifestyle choice.
It really shouldn't be 'normal' to accompany a meal with confectionery consisting of almost twice the calories of a bag of crisps, and 5 times that of an apple.
Why isn't there fruit at the meal deal stands, by the way? (Less profit dare I suggest....)

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